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"You gotta have a $500 deposit down by the 30th to reserve one. Do not ask us why, we know not."



You should know. That's the business your in. The reason is that Yamaha may not want a bunch of expensive iron sitting unsold on dealer's showroom floors. Duh....



The sport touring market lags well behind the other categories and future sales of this machine are at best uncertain. There is some tough competion in this segment and the FJR1300 is hardly a household word in the USA. The machine has a tiny niche in the marketplace and sales depend not on jaded motojournalist's praise but rather on macroeconomic conditions and perceived value. Take a look at bmwrt.com to see what constitutes intelligent dialogue with regard to the sport touring market generally and BMW's place within that market specifically. There is no equivalent FJR1300 website where experienced professionals exchange constructive criticisms of bikes to the ultimate benefit of us all. Maybe if - and only if - the FJR1300 is successful in the marketplace will the motorcycling public feel the FJR is a safe, proven bike rather than a work in progress in need on continued modification.





 

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Sick of sportbike and cruiser reviews? I guess your right, ages ago there were reviews for commuter bikes, value bikes, standard bikes, dual sports, etc, etc,,,. I liked that because they provided real information for the type of bikes I've actually purchased. It's fun to read about sportbikes, but personally they've always turned out too narrowly focused for my 30+ years of riding, the cruisers just aren't my style. I'd suspect the market for the UJM is still alive and although not so exciting, the potential customers would like to see the data. How about a poor MORon's track bike article, bike that can be stripped down, beefed up, and be respectable on a budget?



Not too many years ago I read an article by Mr. Burns that characterized the Bandit 1200 as the "worlds fastest couch", that statement along with the wind protection, range, performance and reliability statements really helped me make what I consider a good selection. Thanks! Next year, at about 40K miles I'll be looking for an article, in a class of bikes I'd really consider, be looking for that kind of information again. Here's to the hope for someone to write those more general motorcycle buyer oriented articles.



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JB,



there is no review or first ride of the r1150rt on MO that I could find... with the k12kRS review, you mentioned that you will be testing it with others in the same category, but I understand that you have made up your mind that the FJR is the best in the bunch...



so you took a GSXR1k to the 600 shootout, without the kawi-zx6r (VFR in this case) and then concluded it to be the winner :)? great...



what's next? Naked bike shootout with bandit 600/sv-650, speed-4, ducati baby monster, zx-7 & the FZ-1/Tuono-R (note that I didn't mention the Honda cb750 since 'you won't get it')?
 

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I just want to second that remark.

Love the videos, more the better but please muffel the wind noise. You can usually mount a remote mic to most video systems. Place the mic on the rear behind the rider. Blocks the wind and we can hear the bike better.

Or surround the mic with a chuck of foam (If done this too and works great)

Otherwise great!

Thanks,



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Sure enough. Our 5th (and 6th, 7th 8th 9th.....) test rider hated BMW (or Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki) so much, that they decided to not show up for the test, so that we were forced to leave the BMW (or was it Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki?) behind, so it finished so far behind that we didn't even bother to write about it in this test. Keep up the good detective work, and Oliver Stone will be calling you any day.
 

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Re: FJR Heat Problem?

I just returned from a lil 2 day ride home on my FJR. Yesterday, as I cleared the Loop in Chicago, a sign said it was 47F. A bit over a hour later a similar sign near downtown Milwaukee showed 44F. I would have been to lightly dressed except that I was on the FJR. With only leather chaps on over my heavy boots, my Gerbing jacket liner (under a heavy H-D sweatshirt, under my Belstaff (without liner) and my Gerbing gloves I was fairly comfy...well a bit on the cool side of real comfy! I did not have the electrics at full blast tho. Coming back today I turned the juice off at the Highland House, but kept everything on. By the time I reached South Bend, IN...the windshield was lowered, too. On the few 70+ degree days we have had I can definately feel the heat coming from the engine...much more noticeable than it was on my ZX12R.

Despite that, I am really beginning to like the bike a lot: good power, handling and brakes. Reasonable (compared to the GL1800 I traded for the FJR) comfort with the opt. Corbin built saddle, Gen-Mar bar risers and opt Yamaha windshield. Did I mention decent power and handling??? LOL Turned over the 3K mark on the way home today. Regards...DFO
 

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from sitting on it, the zzr was quite similar to the busa or blackbird.......the zzr really is closer to those bikes then these.
 

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Chain-driven semi-sportbikes with bags really shouldn't be compared to shaft-drive sport-tourers (or super sport-tourers) as has been noted earlier. The industry needs to separate them when comparos are penned. Mechanically similar bikes lumped in several classes should do it. No cheating by throwing some bags on GT-class mounts like the XX, ZX-12, or Hayabusa.

The buying public is so well informed because of the internet, one's choice of motorcycle usually follows a lengthy research period; the buyer knows damn straight what he wants, and what he is getting these days. Buyers go to a dealership knowing more about the motorcycle he or she is buying than even the sales staff of the dealer.

Buy what you want...to hell with anything else!

BTW, the FJR just rocks!

Outta here...Charles

'00 RWB R1 #34...'cuz there can only be THE ONE.

'85 ZX900 Ninja...the mutha' of all modern sportbikes.

'03 FJR 1300...'cuz ya' gotta keep HER happy.

Click on link below to see my R1, FJR, and Ninja (other pics too).

http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=A0B19C25C12&cb
 

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Re: I guess I am not ready for this crowd.

Dear Dip Sh!t,

Please read the second sentence:

"There's no substitute for "low-end" grunt".

Now go out and wind-her-up all-the-way, then let her go into on coming traffic. Have someone record the numbers when you hit and post them here at MO.
 

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I now have a new wallpaper for my computer. How can I pass up a sunburned Sean, pointing at a burito, and his mouth open at the same time. Wow maybe for the next article you could put a picture in of Ebass taking a dump while wearing the entirew Harley clothing line.



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Just my opinion but the VFR is a great all around bike. A serious sport touring bike it is not. It is too small and too light (both frame and motor). No standard luggage, although some bucks can fix that. The VFR is ok for short range touring but does not belong in this group. Think of this way, if you were going to go cross country-flats, mountains, the works, which would you rather load your gear and fanny on a VFR or FJR?
 

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I agree that the Triumph is the perfect compromise. I use my ST for daily commuting, long distance and weekend fun. Rode a Futura yesterday for the first time though, and I have to admit; a hell of a motorcyle. It turns easily and is very confidence-inspiring. Seems much lighter than the ST although it's only a few pounds lighter. The ability is rev quicker is really noticeable. If it weren't for the money.
 

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Re: I guess I am not ready for this crowd.

Thanx for the info. With my 36" inseam height wont be an issue. On my old KLR 650 I was bent knee'd flat footed at stop lights. Though my big @ss will definitely want a wide flat seat. The GS Adventure has me drooling but it needs to go on at least a 100lb diet (preferably 200).

As for the bucks it seems like a KTM is a steal when you look at how much you would put into any other bike to make it comparable. My old KLR required half again the purchase price just to make it safe on the road. Where as KTM is kind enough to put on top shelf goodies from the start. The luggage option looks very comparable to the BMW Adventures cases, then again I have only seen pics. From what you have wrote it sounds like the motor is what I had hoped for, a motardable bike with near 100 hp, Lord help me... ;)

Thanx again!
 
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