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Re: VFR Rules I'ts the future Twin-heads, get used to it.

Whoops, you're right.

So we have the Wooly Mammoth (VFR) and the Mastodon (Magna).

I thought KPaul was into the cutting edge. The VFR directly descends from the old Sabres.

Maybe a grey ponytail is in the works for ol' KPaul.
 

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Jon,

Your right, the images in the videos were of some very naughty behavior. But we may as well come clean. The fact is that for years, we have been duping you the MO reader with doctored video clips. In the time honored tradition of Kung Fu action movies from the 60's, we simply took an actual clip of Sean leisurely passing us at around 30 mph and then sped it up to make it look like he was moving fast. Wheelies? We have a set of faux handlebars with a camera attached, ride around in a convertible, point them at the sky for awhile and then dub in some motorcycle sounds. We are so sorry for having betrayed all of your trust for so many years, but we felt that the time was right for the truth to come out. We will now do our penance and feel ashamed for 3 seconds. . . . OK that was enough.

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I've had a lot of different bikes in the past few years trying (at the expense of my bank account balance) to find just the right mix. I've been riding a Gold Wing for long distance and an FZ1 for shorter, around town trips - with a Ducati SPS for the twisties and track. But now I've decided to sell the Honda and the Yamaha and get the new FJR. It seems to be ideal for both distance and daily riding, as fast as my old Blackbird (with an engine I loved) but a little more comfortable, since the FRJ doesn't split your knees with a super-wide tank and force you to lie down to reach the bars. I've ordered the ABS model and expect it in August. Meanwhile, I'll still have the SPS for fear and awe riding.



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I think you guys are in Honda's dog house big-time. No CBR600RR for the 600 shootout, no ST1300 or VFR for the Sport Tour 2003 review. Come on, kiss and make up so you can include the biggest bike manufacturer in the world in your reviews.
 

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You guys mention why you didn't include the K1200GT or the R1150RT, but you've got the wrong bike. It's the R1100S that should have been a part of this shootout.



Take out the FJ (whose weight makes it stand out in this group as a heavier-weight ST) and replace it with the BMW and you've got a group of 4 bikes that are on fairly equal footing.



(and yeah, I agree with others that the VFR should have been here too.)

 

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Re: Futura Mileage - Excused?

I read your article (nice job) and rode a Futura for the first time Saturday and was really impressed. Then I re-read your 2001 comparo with the Ducati. MO said the "thirsty" Futura took in 5.3 gallons of fuel after a 121 mile spirited run..."inexcusable and crippling on a bike of this nature." Hard to believe the shock on the current test bike could change the mileage very much. I still might buy one though.
 

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Re: However, the R1/GSXR...

You are a dork. The guy that you agreed with "100%" just proved my point. The VFR has a superior price/performance given the role it is designed for STs. Compared with the Aprilia, Ducati its cost/performance ratio is superior. You agree with anyone but me. At least I am not a bigot. I admit I agree with sometimes.
 

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Re: However, the R1/GSXR...

Yada yada yada. Excuses excuses excuses. All those justifiers don't change the fact that the VFR is a 20+ year old design with less HP than many other motorcycles of less displscement. Since those 600-4s will blow the VFR away then, by your standards you are buying less performance thus violating the cost/performance ratio.

You may recall that your cost/perfomance ratio alows no slack for "intended design", which was the justification for your avalanche of personal insults towards those who ride Harleys.

Ergo: You are violating your own precept and thus are mutating, as we speak, into a member of the Grey Ponytail Brotherhood.

Welcome, Brothuh!
 

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While it was just pathetic enough to deserve some initial sympathy, MO's bitter little crusade against Honda is now officially ridiculous.

It really deserved comment when MO panned the CBR600RR unridden(!?) in its 600 shootout... Especially given how personally motivated all those comments look in retrospect - as every print mag seems to place the Honda as at most a hair (a very thin one at that) behind the new R6. But yeah, I could see how one might take it personally when accused of being unprofessional...

Speaking of which... go ahead guys, don't include the VFR in a test of sport tourers, I'm sure no one will manage to realize that it defines the market segment all these other bikes are trying to serve.

Good work panning (and not testing) the ST1300 Honda sport tourer as well. Especially on the basis of its weight and horsepower deficit alone. We all know that those are the only characterstics one needs to judge a motorcycle.

But wait, isn't MO the same publication that proclaims (with a straight face) that the Buell Firebolt will consistently pull away from an R1 in twisties under any pilot? Hmm... isn't Buell the manufacturer that has been conspiciously advertising on the front page of MO for some time now? I guess horsepower and weight aren't relevant for true sport bikes, but are incredibly significant for sport tourers with hard luggage(!).

As I said, being the underdog is one thing, but someone at MO seems to be in desperate denial of the obvious. I have read MO for a while and surprisingly enjoyed much of it. I even managed to overlook John Burn's one-sided, simplistic, political grandstanding, however out of place it might be in a motorcycling publication. But I think you overestimate yourselves when you imagine that some cult of personality is going to manage to make you relevant to motorcyclists when you ignore the largest player in the motorcycle market... because they were mean to you (sniffle sniffle...)
 

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I believe that John Burns has become the Iraqi Information Minister of motorcycle reviews...

'No one is buying Honda's... There are no Honda's in Baghdad!'

'Riders owning the CBR600RR are all committing suicide when faced by the overpowering might of our air-cooled 1950's v-twin powered sportsbikes!'

'The American motorcycling press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies!'

'The Fireblade is not worth an old shoe... we have given them a sour taste.'
 

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My '96 VFR, with genmars,taller givi, tank cameron bag and 46ltr on the back makes everyhing I need (20K km /year), cost me 5K and it's engine (with cascading disribution) will last forever.

Sure, it lacks ABS, but, for most of riders it will be enough.

Why don' you MOrons make a shootout with bikes that people have in their garages (VFR, 1200 FJR, K100's) and still ride them. That would show how things have (or have not ??) evolved...
 

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Re: However, the R1/GSXR...

Mate, I own a brand new TT600 (don't kill me for doing that) and love it. But I will tell you, the only time it is better than the VFR is in the twisties where the more sports oriented frame, suspension and weight allow for higher limits. The VFR will out accelerate the 600's 9 out of 10 times both off the line and in rolling starts. 800cc, 4 cylinders and an only slightly lower redline make up an engine with a lot more flexibility than the 600's could dream of.

So in short, I object to the remark about 600's blowing away the VFR.
 
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