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Sorry Boys,
Nicky had 51 friggin points lead and he blew it. In the last 5 races he hasnt brought it.
You dont win/lose a championship in 1 race. Valentino had DNF in three races this year and if Nicky was serious about winning he had 5 races to prove it .
R
Nicky had 51 friggin points lead and he blew it. In the last 5 races he hasnt brought it.
You dont win/lose a championship in 1 race. Valentino had DNF in three races this year and if Nicky was serious about winning he had 5 races to prove it .
R
Mistakes happen. Machinery breaks. Racing's tough. Some mistakes are tolerable, understandable and forgiveable. Pedrosa's mistake today with the championship coming down to the wire is none of the above. That was one of the dumbest things I have ever seen in racing, and that includes the time when both Mario and Michael Andretti plowed into the same disabled car on a street course--a car that had been missed by every other driver in the race.
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With a bad clutch.
Seriously, you could be right, but I don't know if you can put it all on Hayden. HRC has already admitted that they can't solve the problem. You want to chase Valentino down with a bad clutch?
All things being equal and strictly rider against rider, Rossi's going to win almost every time--against anyone. No argument there. But HRC seems to have a hand in this mess, too. They certainly haven't helped Hayden take advantage of Rossi's rare season of misfortune. Like I already said, it is a team sport.
With all of the problems Yamaha and Rossi have had to overcome while still winning the most races, Rossi is unquestionably deserving if it turns out in his favor. I think a lot of us just hate that something so stupid could have affected the outcome.
Seriously, you could be right, but I don't know if you can put it all on Hayden. HRC has already admitted that they can't solve the problem. You want to chase Valentino down with a bad clutch?
All things being equal and strictly rider against rider, Rossi's going to win almost every time--against anyone. No argument there. But HRC seems to have a hand in this mess, too. They certainly haven't helped Hayden take advantage of Rossi's rare season of misfortune. Like I already said, it is a team sport.
With all of the problems Yamaha and Rossi have had to overcome while still winning the most races, Rossi is unquestionably deserving if it turns out in his favor. I think a lot of us just hate that something so stupid could have affected the outcome.
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Dani simply screwed the pooch! Watch it over and over again... there was no need for him to go into that turn as hard as he did. Anyone with that much racing experience knows the risks to the outside bike when passing on the inside. You wipe out and your likely taking that bike with you.
I would not want him on my team that's for sure. You think that he'll be on the team next year? No way... he didn't just screw Hayden, he screw'd the whole team.
Just a stupid, stupid move...
I would not want him on my team that's for sure. You think that he'll be on the team next year? No way... he didn't just screw Hayden, he screw'd the whole team.
Just a stupid, stupid move...
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Oh yeah! One more thing! What an awesome race! From the Pedrosa/Hayden wipe out to the finish it was a good one!
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perhaps rossi is the better rider, but motogp is about the bikes AND the fn riders...dani ought to be hung by his bits and fed to wild dogs...no team orders makes sense early in the season, but at this point, with the title on the line, dani should have been acting as a team mate, not as a loner trying bloody squid moves to get by.
The really sad thing no one has mentioned yet is that was the second or third extremely agressive move Pedrosa had made on Hayden.
Hayden got by him and looked to be setting up Edwards who was holding him up. Twice before the wreck Pedrosa made an extemely agressive move on Hayden (who was obviously held up by Edwards). Hayden and Pedrosa actually bumped each other three turns before the boneheaded $&$%^&*! crashed Hayden out.
I don't know what Pedrosa was trying to prove but from now on "Pulling a Pedrosa" will be the worst insult I can throw at somebody.
Hayden got by him and looked to be setting up Edwards who was holding him up. Twice before the wreck Pedrosa made an extemely agressive move on Hayden (who was obviously held up by Edwards). Hayden and Pedrosa actually bumped each other three turns before the boneheaded $&$%^&*! crashed Hayden out.
I don't know what Pedrosa was trying to prove but from now on "Pulling a Pedrosa" will be the worst insult I can throw at somebody.
Pedrosa's a great rider but this was b#$%^ move - just admit it.
Rossi's 3 DNFs just equate to Hayden's year long battle to develop a new motorcycle. What if Hayden had the fully developed bike that Pedrosa rode all year? Hayden was supposed to be the backmarker this year riding the bastard 800cc990cc development bike. No one knows what Honda's plan for this bike are but it's well known it wasn't as fast as pedrosa's bike through the first 6 races. Then as it finally started working the clutch started having problems. Causing several mid pack finishes - again comparable to Rossi's DNFs.
Personally I think Rossi caused his own problems this year. Before the season he was too busy driving rally cars and F1 cars and skipped some test sessions. His development problems are his alone. That being said it shows his skill that even not fully concentrating on MotoGP for the full season (in particular early development sessions) he has pulled back so strong.
Regardless I want an american to win and Pedrosa just singlehandedly largely killed those hopes. I hate that robotic spanish midget sonofa%^&*!
Rossi's 3 DNFs just equate to Hayden's year long battle to develop a new motorcycle. What if Hayden had the fully developed bike that Pedrosa rode all year? Hayden was supposed to be the backmarker this year riding the bastard 800cc990cc development bike. No one knows what Honda's plan for this bike are but it's well known it wasn't as fast as pedrosa's bike through the first 6 races. Then as it finally started working the clutch started having problems. Causing several mid pack finishes - again comparable to Rossi's DNFs.
Personally I think Rossi caused his own problems this year. Before the season he was too busy driving rally cars and F1 cars and skipped some test sessions. His development problems are his alone. That being said it shows his skill that even not fully concentrating on MotoGP for the full season (in particular early development sessions) he has pulled back so strong.
Regardless I want an american to win and Pedrosa just singlehandedly largely killed those hopes. I hate that robotic spanish midget sonofa%^&*!
It's important to not that Nicky was NOT supposed to be the team leader this year. He took the 800cc/990cc development bike and made himself the team leader with what many believe was inferior equipment earlier in the season.
Honda's team decisions have always been an enigma, but I think they had a hard time deciding how to deal with the "second rider" pushing himself to the front all season.
Regardless as Nicky stated in his interview the only thing that Pedrosa can do to make it up is to get a second in Valencia to Nicky's first place finish. It's Nicky's best shot for the title.
Honda's team decisions have always been an enigma, but I think they had a hard time deciding how to deal with the "second rider" pushing himself to the front all season.
Regardless as Nicky stated in his interview the only thing that Pedrosa can do to make it up is to get a second in Valencia to Nicky's first place finish. It's Nicky's best shot for the title.
Re: Lack of Team orders is to blame.
In Edwards interview he was very blunt about protecting Rossi. He didn't seem to even know how to talk about the PedrosaHayden incident - it was almost like he couldn't keep from smiling that the Honda camp could be so stupid.
In Edwards interview he was very blunt about protecting Rossi. He didn't seem to even know how to talk about the PedrosaHayden incident - it was almost like he couldn't keep from smiling that the Honda camp could be so stupid.
Huh? When Hayden and Pedrosa bumped, it was because Hayden jammed himself inside Pedrosa and forced him wide. That move really surprised me, because Hayden has been riding really conservatively the last 5 races... I thought it was pretty aggressive, and imagine it got Pedrosa's blood up.
Really, Pedrosa made exactly the same move Hayden did on him when the bumped. It looked to me like his front wheel tucked when it touched the curb.
Anyhow- it was stupid. Lots of stupid things happen in racing. He should have known better.
J
Really, Pedrosa made exactly the same move Hayden did on him when the bumped. It looked to me like his front wheel tucked when it touched the curb.
Anyhow- it was stupid. Lots of stupid things happen in racing. He should have known better.
J
I agree Hayden was blocking but I didn't think that Pedrosa had actually shown him a wheel.
In that first incident it looked to me that Pedrosa was trying something that couldn't have stuck and I thought Hayden was more or less saying "settle down son this is my line and you can't have it".
Your right though it probably did get Pedrosa's blood up, but I still think Pedrosa shouldn't have tried that first move either. He should have known better than to try any kind of close pass on Nicky under the circumstances.
In that first incident it looked to me that Pedrosa was trying something that couldn't have stuck and I thought Hayden was more or less saying "settle down son this is my line and you can't have it".
Your right though it probably did get Pedrosa's blood up, but I still think Pedrosa shouldn't have tried that first move either. He should have known better than to try any kind of close pass on Nicky under the circumstances.
Wow! Carnage aside, what a great race.
Nicky has been running a "development" bike this year, he's going into next season looking Very Good. It's easy to say, particularly clutch wise (particularly in hindsight), that Honda should have focused on giving Hayden a consistent ride to compete with for the Championship at the end of the season. Big Red has the resources to test parts other than at World Championship races... You can bet that hasn't escaped Honda's notice. Truth be told, some of us already knew the obvious.
Honda won the Manufacturers Championship this year, congrats. Part of me thinks that Honda doesn't care about the Riders Championship. I think people remember seasons as Rider X won on brand Y and not vice versa.
Honda has won a ridiculous number of World Championships, two and four wheeled. Who am I to question their methods?
Dani Pedosa is a fantastic rider. It's hard to see him, and others of his stellar freshman class (like Stoner), as other than future World Champions. HRC had to have him, He's an Animal. He'll remember this mistake for the rest of his life, people will remind him of it.
As Nicky says, the only way for Dani to make amends is to follow him home for a HRC 1-2 at Valencia giving Nicky the Championship.
Suppose I'll try to the catch the next one.
This has been the best season I've had the pleasure to enjoy in memory (MotoGP, F-1, World Superbike, AMA Superbike). Next year is shaping up to be better. Life is good.
Nicky has been running a "development" bike this year, he's going into next season looking Very Good. It's easy to say, particularly clutch wise (particularly in hindsight), that Honda should have focused on giving Hayden a consistent ride to compete with for the Championship at the end of the season. Big Red has the resources to test parts other than at World Championship races... You can bet that hasn't escaped Honda's notice. Truth be told, some of us already knew the obvious.
Honda won the Manufacturers Championship this year, congrats. Part of me thinks that Honda doesn't care about the Riders Championship. I think people remember seasons as Rider X won on brand Y and not vice versa.
Honda has won a ridiculous number of World Championships, two and four wheeled. Who am I to question their methods?
Dani Pedosa is a fantastic rider. It's hard to see him, and others of his stellar freshman class (like Stoner), as other than future World Champions. HRC had to have him, He's an Animal. He'll remember this mistake for the rest of his life, people will remind him of it.
As Nicky says, the only way for Dani to make amends is to follow him home for a HRC 1-2 at Valencia giving Nicky the Championship.
Suppose I'll try to the catch the next one.
This has been the best season I've had the pleasure to enjoy in memory (MotoGP, F-1, World Superbike, AMA Superbike). Next year is shaping up to be better. Life is good.
You nailed it.
"I think a lot of us just hate that something so stupid could have affected the outcome." Yep that's it. Yes Rossi on any given day is the best rider in the world but it having this happen is just a bummer. It would of been more enjoyable to have it go down to the final race where whoever one the race would win the championship. Now Rossi can just follow Hayden around the track..
"I think a lot of us just hate that something so stupid could have affected the outcome." Yep that's it. Yes Rossi on any given day is the best rider in the world but it having this happen is just a bummer. It would of been more enjoyable to have it go down to the final race where whoever one the race would win the championship. Now Rossi can just follow Hayden around the track..
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