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Discussion Starter · Jul 2, 2007

Motorcycle fans oppose fee
"As part of the Indiana state budget signed by the governor, motorcyclists will have to pay an additional $10 registration fee which will go toward a state fund for brain and spinal cord injuries research." Read More

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mscuddy

· #2 · Jul 2, 2007

In my SCI rehab "group" last month, there were about 11 other guys there, all with paralysis due to spinal cord injury.

4 were street bike accidents,(5 if you include me), two were off-road injuries involving supercross type racing, with the rest being work related injuries (falling off roofs, scaffolds, etc).

None were auto accidents. If that is any indication of how many prople get paralyzed on bikes vs. cars, the results are pretty clear.

Over in the brain injury ward, 50% of the people were teenagers who got into car/bike wrecks. One kid got nailed by a car, and then run over while on his SV650. He was a mess.

Although some might scream "SOCIALISM!" this is a good new law. Ask anyone with a spinal cord injury.

Buzglyd

· #3 · Jul 2, 2007

mscuddy said:
In my SCI rehab "group" last month, there were about 11 other guys there, all with paralysis due to spinal cord injury.

4 were street bike accidents,(5 if you include me), two were off-road injuries involving supercross type racing, with the rest being work related injuries (falling off roofs, scaffolds, etc).

None were auto accidents. If that is any indication of how many prople get paralyzed on bikes vs. cars, the results are pretty clear.

Over in the brain injury ward, 50% of the people were teenagers who got into car/bike wrecks. One kid got nailed by a car, and then run over while on his SV650. He was a mess.

Although some might scream "SOCIALISM!" this is a good new law. Ask anyone with a spinal cord injury.

Maybe they should make the cagers pay it since they seem to be the biggest part of the problem. And, how soon does the state start diverting this money for other "needs" and starts dropping an IOU into the fun?

mscuddy

· #4 · Jul 2, 2007

Yep, I'd say that's a good idea too, since they run into bikes and cause the injury most of the time. This is the "new" way to create funds for traumatic injuries, since our private trauma wards are failing, due to a high infulx of people who don't pay the bills after services are rendered (read that non-us citizens). In my city alone, private trauma wards are closing down one after the other, the only ones left are the County facilities funded by the state.

The US is taking a page out of Canada's book in this thinking, putting the monatary onus on the user of the machine/drug/device that might lead to injury, that requires long recovery and/or medical services.

Kenneth_Moore

· #5 · Jul 2, 2007

At last, a genuine admission of the meaning of tax laws:

Australian Taxation Office (ATO), Goods & Services Tax Act 1999, s. 165-55.

"For the purposes of making a declaration under this Subdivision, the Commissioner may:

(a) treat a particular event that actually happened as not having happened; and

(b) treat a particular event that did not actually happen as having happened and, if appropriate, treat the event as:

(i) having happened at a particular time; and

(ii) having involved particular action by a particular entity; and

(c) treat a particular event that actually happened as:

(i) having happened at a time different from the time it actually happened; or

(ii) having involved particular action by a particular entity (whether or not the event actually involved any action by that entity)."

Australian Taxation Office (ATO), Goods & Services Tax Act 1999, s. 165-55. We may be behind the Aussies, but we're catching up!

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seruzawa

· #6 · Jul 2, 2007

Great find!

That is so kafkaesque. The tax people are allowed to invent things that didn't happen!

The_AirHawk

· #7 · Jul 2, 2007

seruzawa said:
Great find!

That is so kafkaesque. The tax people are allowed to invent things that didn't happen!

What's so new and different about that?

(admit it - you were settin'-up for this reply, weren't you?)

Kenneth_Moore

· #8 · Jul 2, 2007

Heh heh heh!

mscuddy

· #9 · Jul 2, 2007

"That is so kafkaesque. The tax people are allowed to invent things that didn't happen!"

Or deny things that did.

..like the ahole who hit me, in the police report he said: "I was honking the horn, but he wouldn't get out of my way".

When I asked the police dept if that wasn't an admission of criminal behaviour on the SUV drivers part, the detective said "No, it was most likely a language barrier, as the guy is a hard working immigrant."

Go figure. He got a $350.00 ticket, and I got screwed for life.

BrowningBAR

· #10 · Jul 2, 2007

Kenneth_Moore said:
Heh heh heh!

-Nice signature.

seruzawa

· #11 · Jul 2, 2007

There's another way to free up millions and millions of tax dollars. Simply have some inspectors walk through the offices of all government agencies and immediately fire everyone who is asleep. That should eliminate about 50% of 'em.

I'm tired of paying more and more "fees" knowing full well that in the real world most of the money is squandered through incompetence, featherbedding and general corruption.

seruzawa

· #12 · Jul 2, 2007

The_AirHawk said:
What's so new and different about that?

(admit it - you were settin'-up for this reply, weren't you?)

Lying criminals in charge of govt agencies is nothing new, true. In fact, it is the usual state of affairs. However seldom do you see that corruption enshrined in your face in written law.

BrowningBAR

· #13 · Jul 2, 2007

mscuddy said:
"That is so kafkaesque. The tax people are allowed to invent things that didn't happen!"

Or deny things that did.

..like the ahole who hit me, in the police report he said: "I was honking the horn, but he wouldn't get out of my way".

When I asked the police dept if that wasn't an admission of criminal behaviour on the SUV drivers part, the detective said "No, it was most likely a language barrier, as the guy is a hard working immigrant."

Go figure. He got a $350.00 ticket, and I got screwed for life.

--Did the f***er have insurance?! Did you get anything?! (Anything apart from the disability?)

62055

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jul 2, 2007

Sue the Bastard..

BrowningBAR said:
--Did the f***er have insurance?! Did you get anything?! (Anything apart from the disability?)

Good point Browning_Bar... In WA state if he got a ticket he is liable.. Even if he doesn't have insurance.You can garnish up to 10% of his wages for life until the judgment is paid off. The downside is that it could take up to 3 years or more to settle it out of court.. The state only requires liability insurance of 10,000 or so.. So after that it comes from his pocket unless he has more liability insurance.. ..

Kenneth_Moore

· #15 · Jul 2, 2007

Motorcycle driver killed in crash with car near Wellington mall: South Florida Sun-Sentinel

Guess this guy won't be suing anyone.

mscuddy

· #16 · Jul 2, 2007

In the peepoles republik of kalifornia you just need $10,000.00 medical liability insurance. Simce this jerk lives in a run down 1 bedroom apartment, with no real assets, I could sue him, but I would have to forgo the ten grand if I did. And even if we did get a judgement, the bozo would just go back to Usbekistan or wherever the hell he came from, and I'd be even more screwed. So we took the 10 g's and that was that, he's off the hook. But all is not lost, since I just got a new Leupold 3x9 for my HK91.

BrowningBAR

· #17 · Jul 2, 2007

mscuddy said:
In the peepoles republik of kalifornia you just need $10,000.00 medical liability insurance. Simce this jerk lives in a run down 1 bedroom apartment, with no real assets, I could sue him, but I would have to forgo the ten grand if I did. And even if we did get a judgement, the bozo would just go back to Usbekistan or wherever the hell he came from, and I'd be even more screwed. So we took the 10 g's and that was that, he's off the hook. But all is not lost, since I just got a new Leupold 3x9 for my HK91.

That's a solid scope to go with a hell of a rifle.

62055

Discussion Starter · #18 · Jul 2, 2007

Good hunting

mscuddy said:
In the peepoles republik of kalifornia you just need $10,000.00 medical liability insurance. Simce this jerk lives in a run down 1 bedroom apartment, with no real assets, I could sue him, but I would have to forgo the ten grand if I did. And even if we did get a judgement, the bozo would just go back to Usbekistan or wherever the hell he came from, and I'd be even more screwed. So we took the 10 g's and that was that, he's off the hook. But all is not lost, since I just got a new Leupold 3x9 for my HK91.

I was afraid of that.. $10,000.. doesn't do jack these days.. it should be much higher.. if people can't afford a $100,000 liability policy that then they can take the frackin bus. Good hunting mscuddy.

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