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Good analogy. Speaking from experience, I can say I much prefer a lowside slide to a highside induced broken bone. Most of those racing highsides are from acceleration and the subsequent wheelspin/hookup, not braking, which will usually result in a front end tuck. I was more thinking along the lines of trying to keep from crashing at all, but I see your point. I am glad the course was useful for you.
 

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Yup I know what you mean. Now that you mention it when I lived in upstate NY, I had to do the uturn to turn right pretty often, and the roads seemed to be narrower. Good point.
 

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Thanks for the kind words. I am sure you could take it on base, but you would have to pay for it. Getting on the post might require jumping through some extra hoops too. Since the course is the same, I would just find out where a local one is and attend that one.
 

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Good question. I have never tried it on post out of fear, and truthfully the traffic is never that bad on post out in the middle of the moon. It might be a local policy; if so it would fall on the garrison commander or provost marshall to make the call.
 

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Thanks for the input. You think the Parks course taught you more than a few track days would? If it was better than what you get at a track day with instructors, what were some of the things they taught?
 

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Actually I was suprised to see several air cooled cruisers since it is so hot. I would say there is an equal number of sportbikes and cruisers, around. Usually when I ride in town I see way more cruisers than I did on post. Tell you son to be careful on Ft. Irwin road!
 

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HA! Good one. They could have a ghetto version where they shoot at you and you have to make it out. Or maybe a combat version were you dodge roadside bombs. Now to ride on post you have to have a day glow green or orange thing on your body and jump through several hoops too. I hear some unit commanders have tried to prevent some of their troops from riding stating it is too dangerous. You can ride around Iraq in a humvee with bombs and stuff, but a motorcycle is too dangerous...kinda funny isn't it?
 

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Thanks for the kind words. I agree about the basic course, but I think a trackday would be better for renewal. Wouldn't it be a blast to have the CHP run a trackday with them on the track with you and a few classes thrown in...then you would really know if you could outrun those beemers! And instead of the beer goggles we could have volunteers ride pocket bikes through cones after downing some brews. Now that would be fun!
 

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Of the three locations I've lived in (AZ, FL, PA) I would choose AZ as the best of the bunch for driving. Atleast those f*ckers drive fast, real fast.

In PA everyone seems to ride the brake and it is IMPOSSIBLE to go anywhere quickly.

Florida is just a damn train wreck where street lights are more of a suggestion than a law and you have a combination of people driving 25 in a 45 while drifting inbetween 2 lanes and the [email protected] doing 80 in a residential area. South Florida just blows for my tastes.
 

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Interesting article - I took the course several years ago in San Diego, and it was a full two days plus one weekday evening (watching videos, as I recall). It was similar to what you described, but we practiced locking up the rear wheel when stopping on a stretch of sand the instructor set up, and even rode around a bumpy field to get a feel for low traction (fun on my '86 GSXR1100). We also practiced using the front brake 'til it started to lock the tire, and also practiced hard panic stops. Too bad it's only a half day now.

Here's a question for California residents - what's the name of the lake in the photo (it's not Tenaya)?
 

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no substitute for track time!
 

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Well, as I stood on the shore just down the road from the sign that said "Lake Tenaya", I was under the impression the we were all gawking at said lake. It is just up the road from the eastern entrance to Yosemite. Does it have a different name?
 

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Absolutely not! Having never been to a track day (hoping to sometime soon...) I can't speak from experience and don't want to pretend that I know anything about it. However, I would imagine that the skills learned would be complimentary but not the same. Lee Parks' course covers a very specific set of skills geared toward improving street riding - namely cornering. They go through the "correct" way (as they see it) to set up, enter, ride through, exit/transition a corner. It involved retraining the way I transitioned to/from the brake and throttle, body position, head/eye position, and bar inputs. They also discuss lane positioning strategy (line) for both safety and performance reasons, psychology, and physiology. His book actually does a good job of explaining the drills and the presentations given. They also taught a method of making a U-turn in an incredibly small space (easily within one parking space on ANY bike). While this may seem like a useless skill, it certainly is not if you've ever tried to turn around on a single lane road, in a parking lot, etc. - not to mention how impressive it looks at the local bike hang out to flip your bike around without putting your feet down when everyone else is pushing through a multi-point turn.

Because of the close proximity and student-instructor ratio, they really make sure that you do the drills correctly. That instant feedback helped me learn quickly. It also gave me a lot to think about whenever I ride, and I find myself catching errors in my technique now that I wouldn't have before. It is certainly less intimidating than taking your bike to a track, and I probably learned more in that one day than I would have learned in a single track day. But if I went to a few so that I started to get comfortable at the track, then it might be different.

Just to be clear - I have no affiliation with the program except as a very satisfied customer.
 

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It is highly unlikely for you to HIGHside when trail-braking (braking and turning at the same time). The LOWside caused by a tucked front tire is by far the most common crash when using too much brake while turning. As most of you know, a LOWside is a far more comfortable crash than a HIGHside. It is also vastly superior to hitting a car and getting launched into its roof structure.

By all means; use those brakes! AND do your damndest to avoid all obstacles. Continuously modulate brake pressure to best divide your available traction between steering and stopping. -Sean
 

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Jed,

Great story, I have been contemplating taking the Advanced course and now I am thinking that a track day might be better.

Thank you for serving your country, and keep on flying. I was a Huey crew chief in a past life.

Clear left.

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Thanks for the positive comments Lonnie. If you do a track day make sure you get into one that has a beginner group with classroom time and instructors on the track and in the classroom. You will learn way more and it will not be so intimidating. SportbikeTrackTime is a pretty good one if you are here in Ca.

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Battery is fine so is the electric vest too... Thanks for the idea (vest)... makes a difference. Seattle and Denver in the Super Bowl too bad about longride's Bears. One season wonder... IMHO...
 
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