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Refreshing these days though naive as I may be I still think most people are decent. It's just the pricks that keep making headlines..
 

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It's still not ok that the gov't thinks it's ok to gamble with tax dollars on a car for the evil RICH.

The Fed has been printing money artificially inflating stock prices. We're paying more for everything these days from gas to bread.

It's amazing the libs are pointing to this as some success story. Zero made a rich guy richer with poor and middle class money.
 

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It's still not ok that the gov't thinks it's ok to gamble with tax dollars on a car for the evil RICH.

The Fed has been printing money artificially inflating stock prices. We're paying more for everything these days from gas to bread.

It's amazing the libs are pointing to this as some success story. Zero made a rich guy richer with middle class money.
FTFY. The "Poor" do not pay Federal taxes.

I work with 15 other people at my location, 2 of which get back nearly twice as much as I pay in (substantially MORE than twice as much as THEY "pay in", then get back).

I do not begrudge someone deductions to the point their "tax debt" is Zero Dollars (God knows, it would be nice - mine has NEVER been that, even when I earned below the "poverty line" - which did not last out my Teens, as I learned and applied skills that ensured my labor would be sufficiently in-demand enough to not have to remain at the bottom of the payscale. Anywhere.).

But the EIC should be abolished like Slavery.
 

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FTFY. The "Poor" do not pay Federal taxes.

I work with 15 other people at my location, 2 of which get back nearly twice as much as I pay in (substantially MORE than twice as much as THEY "pay in", then get back).

I do not begrudge someone deductions to the point their "tax debt" is Zero Dollars (God knows, it would be nice - mine has NEVER been that, even when I earned below the "poverty line" - which did not last out my Teens, as I learned and applied skills that ensured my labor would be sufficiently in-demand enough to not have to remain at the bottom of the payscale. Anywhere.).

But the EIC should be abolished like Slavery.
Nothing can stop the "freight train to ruin".
 

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FTFY. The "Poor" do not pay Federal taxes.

I work with 15 other people at my location, 2 of which get back nearly twice as much as I pay in (substantially MORE than twice as much as THEY "pay in", then get back).

I do not begrudge someone deductions to the point their "tax debt" is Zero Dollars (God knows, it would be nice - mine has NEVER been that, even when I earned below the "poverty line" - which did not last out my Teens, as I learned and applied skills that ensured my labor would be sufficiently in-demand enough to not have to remain at the bottom of the payscale. Anywhere.).

But the EIC should be abolished like Slavery.
Grasshoppa, hidden tax is inflation.

Inflation make stockholder rich.

Poor man can't buy bread and fuel.
 

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Grasshoppa, hidden tax is inflation.

Inflation make stockholder rich.

Poor man can't buy bread and fuel.
Corn for food is being turned into fuel, rich white American Liberals who wouldn't use the sh*t anyway get to feel green while poor South and Central American Hispanics who's dietary mainstay is corn see the price for their food go up ever higher.

It's a pretty sick society that will allow starvation to occur so it can feel good about itself being "Green".
 

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They didn't just "pay it back." They paid it back nine years ahead of time. Damn.

Tesla is outselling BMW, Merc, and Audi in thei luxury-sedan class. Seems like the product would have to be more than just a "green feel-good" exercise to do that.

Tesla has also rejected the dealership business model, which I think is great. I've never understood why car buying is such a bizzare ritual of games and BS. Polls show virtually everyone hates it, but we seem to be stuck with it. One of the Car and Driver editors said in his column last month that if Suzuki reenters the car market here they should follow Musk's model and "own their customers" instead of handing them off to some multi-line mega dealer.
 

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They didn't just "pay it back." They paid it back nine years ahead of time. Damn.

Tesla is outselling BMW, Merc, and Audi in thei luxury-sedan class. Seems like the product would have to be more than just a "green feel-good" exercise to do that.

Tesla has also rejected the dealership business model, which I think is great. I've never understood why car buying is such a bizzare ritual of games and BS. Polls show virtually everyone hates it, but we seem to be stuck with it. One of the Car and Driver editors said in his column last month that if Suzuki reenters the car market here they should follow Musk's model and "own their customers" instead of handing them off to some multi-line mega dealer.
It has sold a few units in the market but I suppose if the other cars came with a $10,000 tax credit they might sell a few more too.

It is out of reach for the average consumer yet the average taxpayer is subsidizing it and you think that's a good thing.

Amazing.
 

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It has sold a few units in the market but I suppose if the other cars came with a $10,000 tax credit they might sell a few more too.

It is out of reach for the average consumer yet the average taxpayer is subsidizing it and you think that's a good thing.

Amazing.
No, because you see eventually the technology will become cheaper. Maybe in ANOTHER 100 years.

And you'll note that they made money because the stock spiked. Not because the company is healthy.

Forgoing comments about evil wall street capitalists.
 

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No, because you see eventually the technology will become cheaper. Maybe in ANOTHER 100 years.

And you'll note that they made money because the stock spiked. Not because the company is healthy.

Forgoing comments about evil wall street capitalists.
The ONLY people in this economy right now are gov't parasites and the Wall St types and idiot libs think it's great.
 

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The ONLY people in this economy right now are gov't parasites and the Wall St types and idiot libs think it's great.
Well, yeah. They've hitched their looting wagons to the govt spigot. The idea of self-reliance is some sort of propaganda scam to them. Ideas like honor or integrity are tricks made up to fool people to them. The decent are derided and the criminal are cheered. Funny because they thought they were the new generation that was going to create a wonderful world of tolerance and equality.

I'd rather have Nixon back. Agnew was small change compared to the current Adminstration. Obama and his sycophants get to join ranks with Wilson, FDR, LBJ and Carter.... our most destructive Presidents.
 

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It has sold a few units in the market but I suppose if the other cars came with a $10,000 tax credit they might sell a few more too.

It is out of reach for the average consumer yet the average taxpayer is subsidizing it and you think that's a good thing.

Amazing.
What's truly amazing is how consistently wrong you are about virtually everything.

A couple months ago you declared Tesla dead and buried. Yet here they are, outselling the competition with a car that's won awards and/or top ratings from everyone from Car and Driver to Consumer Reports.

You wail incessently about the evil government using "your" money to invest in future technologies, yet here is Tesla, creating jobs, building a whole new transportation paradigm, and they paid back every cent of the loan they got to get started. Oh, but HOW they paid it back...well that's just not good enough for 'ol Buzzly. I'm sure it doesn't bother you when you get dividends paid for with stock price increases, now does it?

"Oh waah, the batteries are a nightmare...they'll clog the landfills and cost more than the car to replace." Except the car makers recycle them and their replacement cost is about the same a rebuilding a transmission.

"Oh waah, the range isn't good enough." Except it's now almost 300 miles and recharge stations are going up everywhere.

"Oh waah, the buyers get a tax credit." GM and Chrysler got multimillion dollar bailouts just to stay in business. So what? Aren't enough Americans out of work yet to suit you?

"Oh waah, the cars cost too much." Do you think everybody could afford gas cars when they first came out? No. The first cars were only for the wealthy, but they got cheaper over time. News flash: EVERY new technology is expensive at the start, then the prices go down. That's why a pocket calculator cost $400 in 1973, and now they cost $15...or less.
 

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I think we buried Fiskar KMo.

At least you're admitting in the Obanomy that the only people who can stay in business need taxpayer money. A guess a trillion and a half piled onto the debt every year is a good thing.

Once the subsidies run out, if Tesla is still selling cars at a decent clip I'll eat my words.

10,000 cars is still just a specialty market.
 

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I think we buried Fiskar KMo.

At least you're admitting in the Obanomy that the only people who can stay in business need taxpayer money. A guess a trillion and a half piled onto the debt every year is a good thing.

Once the subsidies run out, if Tesla is still selling cars at a decent clip I'll eat my words.

10,000 cars is still just a specialty market.
Why waste time arguing with a looter?
 

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So your signature achievement for Zero is a billionaire gets a 500 million dollar loan to sell cars to millionaires who get another ten grand from the taxpayers to buy it.

Plutocrat.
THAT'S gonna leave a Mark!

 

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So your signature achievement for Zero is a billionaire gets a 500 million dollar loan to sell cars to millionaires who get another ten grand from the taxpayers to buy it.

Plutocrat.
No, that would be Obamacare, possibly ending the wars, recovering our image abroad, or maybe ending the Bush recession. It's hard to pick when there's so many great choices.
 
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