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The best drive system I've seen is the enclosed chain like Bultaco had on the Matadors. Properly lubricated,tensioned and kept out of the elements a drive chain will last almost forever, is lighter and less power-robbing than a drive shaft, and more durable than a belt.
 

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Re: I am not making this up!

a Ulysses? a Lightning Long in Thrust Blue? a Night Rod? I thought Mid-Night Warrior scraped the barrel.......Yeah baby, I ride a Mid Night Warrior till I can hardly walk...."

Sounds like a condom factory
 

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I don't understand...

Why everybody thinks the revolution motor in a Buell will make a magical, wonderful motorcycle. At best it would be a US-built Superhawk. It will be heavier, have a longer wheelbase and won't have that much more power: 105 HP compared to about 90 for the 1200 Buell motor.

Has it occurred to anyone that maybe Buell has already tested a prototype with a revolution motor (maybe even 8-10 years ago) and decided it wouldn't be right in a Buell?
 

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Keep your eyes open...

...there's fairly concrete web rumors of a lower seat to be available soon, and that the 12X would then work for a 30" inseam, with the preload backed off all the way.
 

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I think the Ulysses is awesome and better suited to my personality than the XB12S I currently own. The ability to better carry a passenger and have significant luggage capability moves Buell in the direction of a GS style bike. (Which in an incredible motorcycle.)
 

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Stones and pebbles can definitely make for a bad day on a belt, but it looks like they did a pretty good job guarding the belt. I only see a tiny gap where something could really fly in there, and even that doesn't look too close to the pulley.
 

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The September Cycle World article explains a lot of the mysteries:



* What looks like a yellow seat cowl is actually a comfortable, well-padded seat. They developed a new belt that can eat rocks, and is supposed to last the life of the bike.



* The XB12X is actually a replacement for the S3T sport-tourer, they say, so it is filling the role of sport-tourer while being marketed as an "adventure bike".



* Sounds like the main problem is lack of steering-lock, which limits trail-riding and u-turn capability. Otherwise they didn't have anything bad to say about it.



 

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The XB12X Ulysses is cool (for this dorky engineer), but the retail price is too much for me (hope the usual Buell discounts kick in). Can't wait to read the MO review! Make sure and get one with bags and do some 2-up rides.



I'm really diggin' all these adventure bikes! It's a great time to be a "mature" rider.
 

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After owning a few bikes now, I think a dual purpose (or enduro or adventure touring, or whatever the category of the day is) would really fit me best. I was pretty excited about the new buell coming out, I prefer two cylinder bikes overall for commuting use. Looking at the anouncement, and the price, there's no way I'll buy one. There are two many great bikes for less money. If Buell wants to compete, they have to adopt v-strom pricing, now bmw or ducati pricing. They have it in their minds they are a premier brand. I find them very interesting and desireable, but they don't have the history or resale value of a premier brand.



As far as the belt and being worried about rocks I don't think it'll be an issue. I had a softail for 3 years, and ride to work more than 50% of the time. I took both belt guards off a few months into my ownership and everybody screamed the same thing. "A rock will tear up your belt!" 3 years later, running no guards I still hadn't suffered any damage. Final drive belts are great. I have a bike with a chain now, and am annoyed at the process of having to clean, lube, and adjust the chain so often.



I like the Buell designs. Maybe I can find a Ulysses in a few years for 5k.....
 

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New LongThrust Flair, New LongThrust Dare, No Restraint Anywhere!



All McCallish yucks aside, this eruption (sorry) of Adventure bikes is the coolest thing since sliced bread which - of course - is the coolest thing since itself.



Could this be the bike that stops me from riding the Fat Lady (that'd be my ST11, not...)



I better stop now.
 

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The xb12x is a bike that interests me greatly. Although some have mentioned the price point, the only competition IMO is the Ducati Multistrada and the BMW R1200GS. The Vstrom is less expensive, but doesn't have a factory hard bag option nor does it come with "fire-road" rubber. I guess I'm interested because when I first started riding last year one of the first bikes I was interested in was the CityX. When I decided to buy used I got a BMW K75s with factory lockable hard bags and quickly decided that a bike with hard bags gives it greater utility. I can take my extra faceshield, gloves, rain gear, bike cover with me and still have room for lunch and gym clothes. I had told myself that I would get either a multistrada, an r1200rt, or a st3 as my next bike in a few years when my car is paid for, but now this new buell makes my list....all the design features I liked about the CityX in a comfortable package and the utility I want. And with none of the valve adjustments and chain maintenance of a Ducati.



JQ
 
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