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I had a Vulcan 800 before the Royal Star and was a bit more agressive then then I am now. I remember it would rev limit at 36, 54 and 88MPH for 1st 2nd and 3rd gears. I dont dobut there are bikes to hit 90 in 2nd gear but there's no reserve power at that point therefore no reason to do it, he wants you to think his wonderful bike is better then your wonderful bike..... but it isnt.
 

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greetings

I just spent 20 mins typing a great introduction only to loose it..

heres the short version..

I read 25 pages of this thread I do not want a crotch rocket..

I have no experience on a bike..

I plan on taking saftey classes and getting the protective gear..

I am 40 yrs old and 5'6... 170LBS

I am looking for a inexpensive street cruiser..
any reccomendations.

any riding tips for a beginner?

I just want to ride with my aging friends that enjoy riding..

my first post was alot better but that's the cliff notes..:cool:
 

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I am looking at a Kawasaki Vulcan 750(1997)

and a
hondashadow 750(1998)

both bikes are roughly 3,000

to much motor for a beginner?

too much $$ for a first bike?

I'd love some advice on this if you don't mind..

Thanks,
Mark
 

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I am looking at a Kawasaki Vulcan 750(1997) and a hondashadow 750(1998) both bikes are roughly 3,000 to much motor for a beginner? too much $$ for a first bike? I'd love some advice on this if you don't mind.. Thanks, Mark
Mowhawk gnade, I have known several riders to start on the Shadow 750 and do alright. With the proper training and some sensibility, you should do okay. Did you take the MSF novice rider course (or similar) yet?

As far as the difference between the Kawi and the Honda, I cannot offer anything. Perhaps the old salts here can chime in. Moke? Sarnali? Seruzawa?
 

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Mowhawk gnade, I have known several riders to start on the Shadow 750 and do alright. With the proper training and some sensibility, you should do okay. Did you take the MSF novice rider course (or similar) yet?

As far as the difference between the Kawi and the Honda, I cannot offer anything. Perhaps the old salts here can chime in. Moke? Sarnali? Seruzawa?
Bikes are similar. The Vulcan is a bit older, being basically unchanged since the Dawn of Man. It's a bit more powerful but has older styling. But both are reliable as anvils and have no particular handling quirks as I recall. Either one would be a good choice if the price is right.
 

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I had a Vulcan 800 which is a little more bike then the 750, and loved it, Honda makes a great product too, with reason I don't think they are too big to start on for a mature adult.
 

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Thanks for the replys..
I went to a dealership and sat on a honda Shadow and a rebel..
the rebel just seemed too light or like it would have handling issues on the hyghway..
I liked the shadow as far as sitting on it..
it's hard to tell w/o riding them, but I have to learn to ride first..lol
 

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Thanks for the replys..
I went to a dealership and sat on a honda Shadow and a rebel..
the rebel just seemed too light or like it would have handling issues on the hyghway..
I liked the shadow as far as sitting on it..
it's hard to tell w/o riding them, but I have to learn to ride first..lol
I'm in the same boat as you age and experience-wise. You're in luck ... chances are pretty good your local MSF class will use a Rebel or something very close to it. The class is a good chance to get a sense of what will fit you, and the instructors will of course have very good advice.

My class (a whole month ago) used Suzuki GZ250 (not much different than a Rebel), Suzuki TU250 (fuel-injected), and DR200SE (dual-sport). My completely newb opinion is that light is just fine. I personally really liked the fuel-injected TU250 but it's a bit taller (I'm 5'11" 175#) so YMMV.
 

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Now I have ridden my friends Kawasiki Vulcan 1100
definatly a road cruiser and alot of bike..
I also rode a Kawasiki 800cc it was an '02
both of these were around the block rides..
I shifted to second and back to first.
never went over 30mph.
but I got an idea of riding them and the 800 was a good ride..
I'm gonna look at a shadow 1100 ('99) and if he'll let me ride it I may buy it, if not I'll keep looking and think more about the Kawasaki 800 some more..
 

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The cruisers are a different animal than the sports bikes or even a standard. The engines and transmissions are set up for torque more than horsepower. My 800cc Suzuki Boulevard C50 has less HP than a 650cc Suzuki SV650 (I don't remember the numbers, but I do recall that it was by a pretty substantial amount).

Some people (on other forums, you don't really see it here) seem to think up to about 1100cc is OK on a cruiser. What you need to be careful with on a cruiser isn't so much engine size as weight. Too heavy and it can be awfully hard to control in slow speed maneuvers for a beginner. Mine is 611 LBS (before options, like my windshield) and my first couple weeks I definitely would have appreciated a lighter bike (and I most certainly wouldn't have wanted to go heavier). I think some of the 1100cc bikes weigh in at similar numbers, maybe even lower. Check the weight of the bikes you are considering and if it is under 600LBS, and you are very confident of your abilities after the training class, you may be OK. Regardless of the weight, there is no way I'd consider larger than an 1100, and I personally ruled out anything larger than the 900cc Kawasaki Vulcan (now I think I might have been OK to 1100cc, so long as the weight wasn't greater than my C50).

Now, that advice is partly because you are 40. Being a bit older, you are presumably more mature. You can still get in trouble on a cruiser engine, you don't need the HP of a sportsbike, it is just a bit more forgiving. Also, if you drop that 600LBS on your leg, you have a broken leg. I remember being a teenager and early 20-something, and I'm a high school teacher now, I would not suggest anything that big and powerful for a testosterone laden young man (I know, a double standard, but you young men out there, all that extra testosterone really can get you in trouble).

Anyway, back to specifics. The Honda Shadow 750 is a great starter bike. If you look at the reviews, while some may imply it is a little boring, they all seem to agree that it handles pretty predictably and is an easy bike to ride. They either imply or state outright that it is a great beginners bike. The Vulcan 750 is a slightly different style, more like an early 90s or late 80s Japanese cruiser, sit on one and make sure you like the fit, but if you do it should be a good bike to start on. The Vulcan 800 is a beautiful bike (I'm still a bit unhappy about 2 used Vulcan 800s that got away) and would be a terrific starter bike (I almost bought a new Vulcan 900 instead of my Suzuki). A Vulcan or Shadow 1100 might be OK (and used it seems the 1100s are a much better value than the 750s-900s, they seem to be about the same price and you get a bigger bike).
 

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Thanks for the reply Jeff.
I am looking to resale value as well as buying a bike that I can handle.
the Kawi 800 was manageable. I'm snappy on the clutch and killed it 2 x on my ride around the block. as I get used to the clutch and the friction zone I think I can do fine on that bike.
the shadow may be too much for me but I wouln't know till I ride it if the seller lets me.
I plan on taking things nice and slow.
I waited till I was old and mature enough to even consider a motorcycle.
I sold a 300ZXTT to get the money for this bike.
I had my speedy fun and now I just want to cruise.
I am starting with a bigger bike because I don't want to have issues on the freeway when I get to the point where I can ride there comfortably.
(I take the safty class in sept and am not legally alowed to ride on the freeway till I get my full endorsement)
but I would like to get in some practice before the class starts.
I live in a nice flat subdavision where it's 25mph.
and I am next to the wandering country roads of indiana. so I'll have plenty to work on before thinking about freeway riding.
if I am able to get a 800vulcan or an 1100 shadow for 3 k then it seems a better choice than a smaller bike that I wouldn't nessessarily get as much for in resale.
As far as learning curve goes I am confidant in my ability to learn.
I am a drummer by trade and have decent corodnation.
I have good balance and I am going to take it slow and easy as far as learning these machines.
the nissan tought me to respect power(that car was scary) 12 sec in a 1/[email protected] 108mph.
so as long as it feels like a manageable bike I think I'm going to buy it.
any advice or things to look out for as a new rider on a larger machine?
 

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If you are looking at early 2000 1000-1400 cc bikes there are many available for around $3k. The easiest to off in case of emergency will be a Shadow. But Yamaha V-Star 1100 Custom service intervals are spread farther requiring fewer dollars to maintain. I prefer the Yamaha because it has a better overall profile for my style.
 

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Ignore "Resale Value" - no bike is an "Investment". Get the bike that you can use, that fits YOU, that YOU can handle. Preferrably as light and low-powered as possible.

If you like Motorcycling, you'll get your Value out of riding the bike, no matter what brand or model.

If not, you won't.

It really is that simple.
 

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Greetings everyone,

I am a first time poster/rider looking for some info. I am scheduled up to take lessons for the MSF class in upcoming weeks and I was curious to find out if there are weight limits with the Kawasaki ninja 250. I am a big boy :) 5'9 about 275-280lbs

Also I see so many people who ride around with there mp3 players on or ipods, are they retarded? or do helmets muffle sound that bad you do not really hear anything other then the loud bike?
 

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Saffaman, the old dudes are right, but then I'm an old guy, too. Do as I did, start with a dual purpose bike. Oh, but you say: "street riding for me, commuting don't-cha-know. Just change your tires - use something like Avon Distanzas...

You need some dirt time to see what bikes feel like when they slide around a bit - MUCH leass risky than learning about the vehicular dynamics on the street. Much less. And fun, too.

Dirt too far away? Still do DP with streetish tires, do the MSF or whatever and again - have fun!!
I never jump into these convo's but the simple idea of seat time in the dirt could save your life. learn what it feels like to lose the front end or step the back out under power and more importantly what conditions are the cause. It happens so fast! muscle memory might be the only thing that saves you. you mentioned low funds. aside from a few, dual sports have not changed a whole lot in 20 yrs. The bikes mentioned so far 01 DRZ400 & 250 (2,900) 00 XL400 (2,500) Anything older than this stick with a honda. best deal I found in my 2 min. search 82 honda 250XL(1,600) I've ridden all these and money aside you'll be happier on a 400 and all are pretty even. Now if that 1,600 is more realistic an 82, 83 XL 500 would not let you down(bullet proof). good luck my man, mark my words, that bike is gonna be the best wingman you've ever had.
 

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He's right, kid. Stay away from the idea of a sportbike until you're in your twenties (at the very least). The bike suggestion above is a good one, If you have the money another would be the Suzuki DRZ400SM. You should be able to find good used ones for right around $4000. You can get Dual Purpose fun and sticky street tires (welcome to the world of supermoto). Foot out, dirbike feeling, fun on the street. Cheap to insure, cheap to operate, great gas mileage. OR buy an India made Enfield and just go old school on people. I hear the 08 models will be fuel injected. Cost more, but I insure 4 or 5 college guys that own them. Outside of some break-in issues (that were dealer resolved) the guys seem to like them a lot.
I would have to disagree, I started off with a Ducati Monster 698 and that was basically a dream bike. Not to fast, handled likea dream, very forgiving, and I got mine cheap due to family ;)
 

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I would have to disagree, I started off with a Ducati Monster 698 and that was basically a dream bike. Not to fast, handled likea dream, very forgiving, and I got mine cheap due to family ;)
A Duc 698 is NOT a Supersport 600.
 
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