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That new Speed Triple is lookin good, and their bike linup for 05 looks impressive. Now all Triumph has to do is drop the Daytona's displacement from 650 to 000, and they will be on track to ditch the only loser in the lineup. The experiment has failed and it's time they forgot about the 600's and concentrate on what they do best.
The Future of the Daytona
from what rumors I've heard/read, the Daytona will see another bump in capacity in the next year or two. Triumph is supposedly developing a new engine for it, which would be a 750cc triple. If that does come to pass, I can see no argument against it. Who wouldn't want a 750cc triple in a package that handles as well as they Daytona supposedly does. I would say that it doesn't even need to approach full-on Gixxer levels, but I think 120 rwhp should be pretty nice.
from what rumors I've heard/read, the Daytona will see another bump in capacity in the next year or two. Triumph is supposedly developing a new engine for it, which would be a 750cc triple. If that does come to pass, I can see no argument against it. Who wouldn't want a 750cc triple in a package that handles as well as they Daytona supposedly does. I would say that it doesn't even need to approach full-on Gixxer levels, but I think 120 rwhp should be pretty nice.
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Re: The Future of the Daytona
I still believe that 750cc is about the optimum displacement for public roads performance. The GSXR750, in practical terms, is as fast as your gonna be able to go. I doubt that the vast majority of riders who buy the liter-class sportbikes are any faster than they would be on the 750 (or the 600s for that matter). But I guess there's better bragging rights at the Burger Barn with a CBR1000 than a GSXR750.
If Triumph would put some competition back into the 750 class, that would be a good thing. Especially since the Triumphs have a history of better ergonomics in their Daytonas. It seems that the sportbike shootouts always end up with comments by the reviewers that, even though the Gixxers and Yammers and Hondas may be a bit faster, if they had to spend their own money they'd buy a Triumph.
I still believe that 750cc is about the optimum displacement for public roads performance. The GSXR750, in practical terms, is as fast as your gonna be able to go. I doubt that the vast majority of riders who buy the liter-class sportbikes are any faster than they would be on the 750 (or the 600s for that matter). But I guess there's better bragging rights at the Burger Barn with a CBR1000 than a GSXR750.
If Triumph would put some competition back into the 750 class, that would be a good thing. Especially since the Triumphs have a history of better ergonomics in their Daytonas. It seems that the sportbike shootouts always end up with comments by the reviewers that, even though the Gixxers and Yammers and Hondas may be a bit faster, if they had to spend their own money they'd buy a Triumph.
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Here's another picture of the new Speed Triple...
Anybody else see a resemblance to the Buell's aggresive and stubby lines?
Or is it more like an English MT03?
Whatever it is, I like it!
Anybody else see a resemblance to the Buell's aggresive and stubby lines?
Or is it more like an English MT03?
Whatever it is, I like it!
Re: The Future of the Daytona
Excellent point. Matt Mladin said the same thing. The 750 that he won his championships on had the best combo of performance and agility. It was also the most fun to ride. The 1000 was needed to keep up with the twins on the straights. In addition, the stop, turn, and accelerate nature of US AMA tracks gave 1000cc bikes an advantage Perhaps if all the tracks were like Barber or Sonoma, tight and twisty, the 750 could still beat the 1000 V-Twins.
I for one would like the choice of a 750. A guy just bought a new (never road) ZX-7R at work. He had a 600 he said it was the right step up for him.
Excellent point. Matt Mladin said the same thing. The 750 that he won his championships on had the best combo of performance and agility. It was also the most fun to ride. The 1000 was needed to keep up with the twins on the straights. In addition, the stop, turn, and accelerate nature of US AMA tracks gave 1000cc bikes an advantage Perhaps if all the tracks were like Barber or Sonoma, tight and twisty, the 750 could still beat the 1000 V-Twins.
I for one would like the choice of a 750. A guy just bought a new (never road) ZX-7R at work. He had a 600 he said it was the right step up for him.
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Too Many (Wrong) Creases
Yup, the Speed Triple sports the same "Phuck Off" attitude as always and that's a good thing.
But, WOW! I reallly liked the Sprint ST and even had a fondness for the previous generation's smooth lines in a sea of origami. But no more...for the most part, I'm a function over form guy, but the new ST is way over-the-top and well into Fugly, far as I can tell.
I guess the Daytona 600 set the trend for more creases than a game a naked lezbian twister, which mind you, is a great thing when viewed from any angle, but its just not the same with bikes, imho.
Yup, the Speed Triple sports the same "Phuck Off" attitude as always and that's a good thing.
But, WOW! I reallly liked the Sprint ST and even had a fondness for the previous generation's smooth lines in a sea of origami. But no more...for the most part, I'm a function over form guy, but the new ST is way over-the-top and well into Fugly, far as I can tell.
I guess the Daytona 600 set the trend for more creases than a game a naked lezbian twister, which mind you, is a great thing when viewed from any angle, but its just not the same with bikes, imho.
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Yup...if imitation is the sincereist form of flattery, then from a simple design perspective, Buell should appreciate Triumph's homage. Obviously this isn't including such innovative features like gas in frame and oil in swingarm.
Now, if only Buell would return the favor and put a 1050cc-blunt-force-trauma-liquid-cooled-triple in that chassis of theirs we'd have a real horse race...
Now, if only Buell would return the favor and put a 1050cc-blunt-force-trauma-liquid-cooled-triple in that chassis of theirs we'd have a real horse race...
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Looks like a Sat-Nav mounted on the ST.
Also, those are ugly cans on the speed.
The red Daytona, with the union jack on the fairing looks pretty sexy, I hope they keep that in production. Always thought that was a nice treatment on Brit bikes.
Also, those are ugly cans on the speed.
The red Daytona, with the union jack on the fairing looks pretty sexy, I hope they keep that in production. Always thought that was a nice treatment on Brit bikes.
Re: Too Many (Wrong) Creases
I also really like(d) the current Sprint lines, although I think the new model could be a winner. From the various shots, it looks like a Futura done right ... angular, but not oblong in weird places. I'm not sure what to make of the underseat exhaust, tho. It looks something like the Multistrada's faux cans, of which I am not a fan.
I also really like(d) the current Sprint lines, although I think the new model could be a winner. From the various shots, it looks like a Futura done right ... angular, but not oblong in weird places. I'm not sure what to make of the underseat exhaust, tho. It looks something like the Multistrada's faux cans, of which I am not a fan.
Odd man out here I guess but I'm not digging on the new S3 or ST in the looks department. The S3 looks like a dog that got kicked in the butt. The ST lost it's pretty curves.
Pictures never seem to do bikes justice though so I'll reserve making any final judgment until I see them in the flesh. I for sure like the 1050 engines. Don't need a picture of that (except of the dyno chart).
Pictures never seem to do bikes justice though so I'll reserve making any final judgment until I see them in the flesh. I for sure like the 1050 engines. Don't need a picture of that (except of the dyno chart).
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Funny thing: no pics of a new 955 or 1050 Daytona.
I wonder if sales were lagging enough so they decided to keep the agressive Sp3 and a nice enough ST to fill the empty area that the big Daytona will leave.
May not be an unwise decision to kiss that particular model goodbye. As much as I like the Daytona there may not be a place for it anymore. A speedy goodlooking ST may just be what most customers not wanting an R1 are looking for.
Does anybody care for a 1050 Sp3 with silver frame and wheels or am I the only one?
I wonder if sales were lagging enough so they decided to keep the agressive Sp3 and a nice enough ST to fill the empty area that the big Daytona will leave.
May not be an unwise decision to kiss that particular model goodbye. As much as I like the Daytona there may not be a place for it anymore. A speedy goodlooking ST may just be what most customers not wanting an R1 are looking for.
Does anybody care for a 1050 Sp3 with silver frame and wheels or am I the only one?
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