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If you follow the links and read what the "Reports" say you'll notice that they also talk about the upcoming releases of the kawasaki ZX-12R and "Honda's about to be unveiled World Superbike Contender... the NTR-1000" Looks like the site is over a year old. IF the report was at all based on fact, don't you think that someone else would have picked up on it over the past year?
 

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Not another one............I can't for the life of me understand this need to make bikes that are beyond riders capabilities to handle. 250bhp....thats ridiculous!!! I've seen enough idiots with to much power crash on turns on Mullhuland simply because its so difficult to manage proper throttle modulation of R1's, Busa's, ZX12's, and various assorted 900's....let alone 600's....while bouncing through a tight turn. Just a couple of weeks ago, Jay Leno shows up at the Rock Store with one of those English "rocket" bikes....don't ever pull up behind one, according to Leno if your cage has a plastic grill it will last about 15 seconds before melting....but the damn thing was obviously unmanageable.....ESPECIALLY on any kind of a sweeper. I think Yamaha is closing in on a more suitable bike with the FJ1300 and I'm hearing rumors that Honda is actually going to phase out the ST1100 and Blackbird so as to come up with something to more directly do battle in sport tourers arena. Sure I'm inclined toward sport tourers, they are to heavy to allow you to do anything really stupid in the twisties. Sure would like to see more power there....with some good wind protection for those long trips....some character like BMW's with good old Japanese practicality for low maintenance and dependablity. Love the look of Ducati's ST's, but my bet is on the new FJ1300 (when it arrives on this side of the pond that is) and Big Red doing a number to update the Tupperware king and Black Suck you off my back bikes.

 

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Ho Hum. Another big, fast expensive bike for someone, but no one I know. Also, the remarks about the age of the story should be taken seriously, as this is probably another B.S. story. On a practical note, where would you ride it to get the most performance out of it if you don't live in Nevada or Montana? Bring back small, fast, cheap(er) two-strokes!!!!
 

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Been Waiting for VTEC to show....

I drive a VTEC Honda Prelude...and a buddy of mine, who has raced bikes and has a honey of a 93 VFR, has said he can't understand why Honda hasn't moved their VTEC system into a motorcycle...

just imagine...you could tune the low cam to get a torque peak at a mid-range rpm....and then use the wild camshaft to change that torque "peak" into a torque "plateau" extending almost all the way to re dline!!!!!! *droool*

plus the sound when a DOHC VTEC engine goes to the high camshaft is just BIT**IN!!!! ;) :D!
 

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I'll believe it when I see it in a Honda brochure. Honda's had the last four years to boost the 97 Blackbird's performance, and they didn't do it.





All of the changes since 97 were for driveability, rounding out the 97's notorious flat spot, and increasing comfort.





Aftermarket tuners have shown that it doesn't take much to punch up the carburetted 97 and 98 model birds to be competitive in performance with the Hyabusa and the ZX-12. I think that if Honda gave a rat's ass about having the most powerful motorcycle, they could have done it with the existing inline four for a fraction of the cost of developing a V6.
 

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Let me get this straight. A FJ1300 is fine for you because you are obviously a hugely talented rider with superhuman self-control, but the rest of us must stick with 600s so we don't hurt ourselves. Do I have that right?
 

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"Rocket" bike

First of all, it's not a rocket bike, they are powered by an Allison gas-turbine engine. It is a small, powerful jet engine that transfers power through a geared shaft. Secondly, they are not made in England, they are made in Louisiana by a company called Marine Turbine Technology. Small gas turbine engines connected to a constantly variable transmission could be a viable powerplant for future bikes. Sometimes we need something this outrageous to get people thinking about alternatives to the conventional way of doing things.
 

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it can still be a very compact motor. It all depends on the angle of the vee, and the bore/stroke dimensions. I would imagine a v6 motor would be more rigid, and permit some interesting chassis designs, i.e. steering head bolted directly to motor, swingarm directly to motor, eliminating the need for the wide twin spar aluminum frames used so often today. or a monocoque chassis a la ZX-12R.

 

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Correction, the S2000 is a 2.0 liter not a 1.8. The S2000 @ 240 horsepower in a 2.0 engine is 120 HP per liter. A Corvette with a 5.7 liter engine stock is non Z02 is 345 HP, that equals about 60.5 HP per liter. Making the S2000 twice as powerful per liter. A Viper is 8.0 liters producing 450 horsepower, + or - about 56 hp per liter. One of my buddies (dot commer) has a viper. He let me drive it. Whew! That is alot of power. The Honda S2000 is twice as powerful as both of the United States flagship sportscars. You know the S2000 is very light. What I am getting to is why such an enormous powerplant in a bike. Just think of what a bigger engine produced in the fashion of the current S2000 would be like. Soo long German Car Sales.
 

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They did in fact build the NR750, just so everyone would go 'wow!' They may build this. Perhaps they're setting out to really blow the horsepower / top speed war way right out of the water. Maybe they want to really bring this all to a head and put a stop to it. Maybe they take the view that if nobody 'did anything' about the eye-abuser then nobody will do anything about anything. Maybe they got misty-eyed about that Norton V-8 that fell in a heap.

The aerodynamics look logical. Ugly as hell but logical. There's no technical reason you couldn't build it. It'd probably do about 215, and be a fairly good sportstourer to boot. It may even have ****y linked brakes. Can anyone actually use that much power? In a straight line, a very long and empty one - sure. Is that going to happen often? Perhaps not. I actually took my GS1100 [1980] to terminal velocity once. But I sure used plenty of that engine each and every day.

I think it's unlikey they'll do it. I'm just skeptical about anything that promises to top 200 mph. I've seen that claimed so often, and so rarely backed up.
 

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I have actually done 165 on an unfaired bike, and about 180 on one with a bikini fairing. I'm not arguing with you, it's a hell of a thing, but it can be done. I would not have liked to try and sit 'up' on either of those runs.
 

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"The Honda S2000 is twice as powerful as both of the United States flagship sportscars. "



That is wrong, because as you pointed out, the S2000 is only a 2 liter motor, making it roughly HALF as powerful as the Viper. Hp per liter is great for the technological gee-whiz factor, but less Hp is still less Hp. I owned a '99 Civic Si, and while it's pretty neat that such a tiny motor works relatively well, it's still only relative, and in real terms the car was not fast.



Until Honda builds a 3.0 to 3.5 liter motor with similar specific output to the B16 motor, it just doesn't make sense to compare the S to true supercars.
 

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If you don't like sport bikes, why don't you keep your trap shut and go read something about a topic you enjoy, like grip tassels, highway pegs, the benefits of a high fiber diet, or quilting.



I am pretty sure no one knows what the second part of your post means, except maybe that you have some kind of circulatory disorder that gives you problems with the feeling in your lower extremities. You should probably stay off motorcycles just in case . . . .
 

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Re: Well they lost it

Muzzy and Kawasaki have already proventhatthe ZX-12 does not have any kind of detuning or speed limiters. They, while being supervised by one of the magazines, pulled a 12 out of the crate and ran 190 or so, and with Muzzy bolt-ons, went 199.
 
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