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I wrote Bill Pasen, who I believe is the Senator there. I found his name on a site telling people to contact him to kill the bill. I wrote him in support, even though I am not from PA.
Re: All fine and nice, IF...
So, in effect, if there is proof that riding a motorcycle, even with a helmet, is more dangerous than riding in a car (and there is plenty of proof) then ALL motorcyclists should bear the same burden of proof you stated above, as well as "jacking" their rates for participating in this dangerous activity. Why should motorcyclists riding unsafe machines get the same rates as riding in a safe car? By extension, you are condemning yourself with your "burden of proof" argument.
So, in effect, if there is proof that riding a motorcycle, even with a helmet, is more dangerous than riding in a car (and there is plenty of proof) then ALL motorcyclists should bear the same burden of proof you stated above, as well as "jacking" their rates for participating in this dangerous activity. Why should motorcyclists riding unsafe machines get the same rates as riding in a safe car? By extension, you are condemning yourself with your "burden of proof" argument.
"However, I myself wear a helmet 99.9%"
First, 99% isn't good enough because helmet laws require 100% compliance. Second, what if you got hurt the 1% of the time you didn't wear it? How is your windmill tilted now?
First, 99% isn't good enough because helmet laws require 100% compliance. Second, what if you got hurt the 1% of the time you didn't wear it? How is your windmill tilted now?
Hey Puck!
I think I see the horse wigglin'. Ya better whack it again!
I think I see the horse wigglin'. Ya better whack it again!
Re: Tumbler
With all due respect, speed limits and school zones and drinking laws are for protecting others. My not wearing a helmet isn't going to hurt anyone but ME if I have a problem. If I speed or get drunk and drive, I could easily kill or maim someone else. These laws are necessary from stopping someone from killing others. Helmet laws are a "for your own good" type that does not fit with the other examples you gave. There are seat belt laws and others that fit into the same type of catagory, but none are as intrusive as a helmet law. The same government that is so hell bent on saving lives also sponsors abortions. It's called live and let live.
With all due respect, speed limits and school zones and drinking laws are for protecting others. My not wearing a helmet isn't going to hurt anyone but ME if I have a problem. If I speed or get drunk and drive, I could easily kill or maim someone else. These laws are necessary from stopping someone from killing others. Helmet laws are a "for your own good" type that does not fit with the other examples you gave. There are seat belt laws and others that fit into the same type of catagory, but none are as intrusive as a helmet law. The same government that is so hell bent on saving lives also sponsors abortions. It's called live and let live.
Re: Tumbler
I'm really trying to be patient here, and didn't Enron execs bilk many out of millions? They stole from people. What does that have to do with not wearing a helmet? Nothing I believe. And no, you didn't prove that affects anyone of any consequence but ME. Your "proof" can be regurgitated for any activity from online surfing to tiddly winks to couch potatos. What I do with my life should be mine, as long as it hurts nobody else. That is the ideal we should expect in this country. The freedom to be left alone. Whatever happens to me on a motorcycle, helmet or no, is my own personal responsibility, not yours, the government, or anyone else. Understanding that concept, while difficult, certainly makes sense.
I'm really trying to be patient here, and didn't Enron execs bilk many out of millions? They stole from people. What does that have to do with not wearing a helmet? Nothing I believe. And no, you didn't prove that affects anyone of any consequence but ME. Your "proof" can be regurgitated for any activity from online surfing to tiddly winks to couch potatos. What I do with my life should be mine, as long as it hurts nobody else. That is the ideal we should expect in this country. The freedom to be left alone. Whatever happens to me on a motorcycle, helmet or no, is my own personal responsibility, not yours, the government, or anyone else. Understanding that concept, while difficult, certainly makes sense.
Re: Tumbler
Same person pays if I crash in my car and my brain gets scrambled or I wore my helmet and became a quad. I think Jerry Nadeau got his brain scrambled at a track, and he was wearing a helmet in a car. Who pays for him? Tracks are private entities that can make any rules they like. They fall under the private domain, just as golf clubs can regulate who can be a member and who can't. So, to sum it up, tracks can make their own rules because they are in the private domain, so they can do things like exclude Blacks and women legally. Get that point? With me so far? Next, the person that pays for me getting hurt is the same one that pays if I get injured in a car crash or even if I have my helmet on and bite it on a bike. Since I pay insurance for that coverage, it's of no consequence to you which way I get injured. I really think you need to re-think your position, as it seems you are grasping at straws.
Same person pays if I crash in my car and my brain gets scrambled or I wore my helmet and became a quad. I think Jerry Nadeau got his brain scrambled at a track, and he was wearing a helmet in a car. Who pays for him? Tracks are private entities that can make any rules they like. They fall under the private domain, just as golf clubs can regulate who can be a member and who can't. So, to sum it up, tracks can make their own rules because they are in the private domain, so they can do things like exclude Blacks and women legally. Get that point? With me so far? Next, the person that pays for me getting hurt is the same one that pays if I get injured in a car crash or even if I have my helmet on and bite it on a bike. Since I pay insurance for that coverage, it's of no consequence to you which way I get injured. I really think you need to re-think your position, as it seems you are grasping at straws.
Hey, he IS the hardest workin' man in show business! Mr. Excitement, Mr. Dynamite.......
Re: Tumbler
You are grasping because your arguments aren't correct. They lied to you in drivers ed. You do own the roads. The govt. took my money, and yours, and built them. It's public domain, just as schools, libraries and parks are. I can go to them and they can't keep me out. I'm part owner, and as part owner it's my job to see they dont' f&ck things up by passing stupid laws restricting access to something that is mine. Road closures to motorcycles have happened often. Is that a fair law? Not by a long shot. Forcing ones "opinion" on someone else is the main problem with your argument. that is where the "comrade" comes from. I hate smokers, threfore all smoking shall be banned, I hate fat people, therefore all Burger Kings are closed, I hate un-helmeted riders therefore...... get it?? Forcing your views on ME for my own good is wrong any way you want to slice it. Laws in this country are more about contol than benefit. They have been for about 100 years now. The brainwashing started when they told you driving is a "privlidge" and you have no right to use the road the govt. built with MY MONEY. Bullshyt! If you want to believe that crap, go ahead. I want to believe that I will act to preserve what little freedoms I have left.
You are grasping because your arguments aren't correct. They lied to you in drivers ed. You do own the roads. The govt. took my money, and yours, and built them. It's public domain, just as schools, libraries and parks are. I can go to them and they can't keep me out. I'm part owner, and as part owner it's my job to see they dont' f&ck things up by passing stupid laws restricting access to something that is mine. Road closures to motorcycles have happened often. Is that a fair law? Not by a long shot. Forcing ones "opinion" on someone else is the main problem with your argument. that is where the "comrade" comes from. I hate smokers, threfore all smoking shall be banned, I hate fat people, therefore all Burger Kings are closed, I hate un-helmeted riders therefore...... get it?? Forcing your views on ME for my own good is wrong any way you want to slice it. Laws in this country are more about contol than benefit. They have been for about 100 years now. The brainwashing started when they told you driving is a "privlidge" and you have no right to use the road the govt. built with MY MONEY. Bullshyt! If you want to believe that crap, go ahead. I want to believe that I will act to preserve what little freedoms I have left.
Re: Use your head
"Put your brain bucket on and be glad you'll live to ride again."
You mean everyone tht waers a helmet lives again? Tell that to those many I picked up dead with their helmet on would you?
"And why don't you anti-helmet folks concentrate on bigger problems? Try looking at the growing trend of insurance companies that don't cover motorcyclists (or rock climbers, ATV riders or water skiiers) because it's a "high-risk" activity. That should make your blood boil, should you take time from your whining about helmet laws and see that your rights really are being trampled."
The only coverage I have ever seen denied is for sportbikes. Should I be worried about that or just ride a cruiser?
"Put your brain bucket on and be glad you'll live to ride again."
You mean everyone tht waers a helmet lives again? Tell that to those many I picked up dead with their helmet on would you?
"And why don't you anti-helmet folks concentrate on bigger problems? Try looking at the growing trend of insurance companies that don't cover motorcyclists (or rock climbers, ATV riders or water skiiers) because it's a "high-risk" activity. That should make your blood boil, should you take time from your whining about helmet laws and see that your rights really are being trampled."
The only coverage I have ever seen denied is for sportbikes. Should I be worried about that or just ride a cruiser?
The Law After KPauls Law
All Motorcycle riding optional.
Insurance companies are exempt from paying for injuries for riders.
Individuals who cause injury to a rider are only financially responsible for injuries that would have been sustained if he had been in a car.
If you aren't willing pay the cost of freedom then get in a car. Otherwise pay for your own medical care for your stupid decision to ride a motorcycle.
See how stupid you are KPaul?? Be careful what you wish for.
KPaul chides: "If don't wear a full face helmet your are an idiot."
As for the last one, you are certainly an idiot with one. Since it didn't help you, why should I wear one? Are you an example of a genius? I'll go without thanks.
All Motorcycle riding optional.
Insurance companies are exempt from paying for injuries for riders.
Individuals who cause injury to a rider are only financially responsible for injuries that would have been sustained if he had been in a car.
If you aren't willing pay the cost of freedom then get in a car. Otherwise pay for your own medical care for your stupid decision to ride a motorcycle.
See how stupid you are KPaul?? Be careful what you wish for.
KPaul chides: "If don't wear a full face helmet your are an idiot."
As for the last one, you are certainly an idiot with one. Since it didn't help you, why should I wear one? Are you an example of a genius? I'll go without thanks.
Re: Freedom has a price.
"Riding/Driving is legally a privilege not a right"
Bullshyt.
"As they say freedom has a price."
How about your freedom to ride a motorcycle, which causes more injuries and deaths than cars no matter how much protection. What should be the price for that?
"Riding/Driving is legally a privilege not a right"
Bullshyt.
"As they say freedom has a price."
How about your freedom to ride a motorcycle, which causes more injuries and deaths than cars no matter how much protection. What should be the price for that?
So if the motorcyclist was tapped and broke his arm or back it wouldn't be her fault? I mean if he was in a car he would be fine right? Maybe your thinking process indicates Darwinism. Anyone that could logically come up with the hitter being the victim hopefully won't procreate anytime soon.
"...and I'm also the greatest player in the history of football. That aside, the .1% of the time I have not worn a helmet has been off of public roads at speeds generally under 10 mph. Your welcome."
Sorry, but going without a helmet is WRONG. You can get killed or maimed at 1 mph I just found out form the posters here. What if somebodys mom hits YOU at a light and you crack your head open? Am I to be responsible for YOUR rehab? 100% is what we expect and nothing less. If you EVER go without a helmet again I will tell the authorities that you have been sleeping with White women again and transporting them across state lines!
Sorry, but going without a helmet is WRONG. You can get killed or maimed at 1 mph I just found out form the posters here. What if somebodys mom hits YOU at a light and you crack your head open? Am I to be responsible for YOUR rehab? 100% is what we expect and nothing less. If you EVER go without a helmet again I will tell the authorities that you have been sleeping with White women again and transporting them across state lines!
How'd you miss the cut?
Re: All fine and nice, IF...
"And that is the kind of conclusion you get when you over simplify."
I like simple. No use in making things complicated, like you did. Motorcycles are more dangerous PERIOD. End of story. You get hit you get hurt. Simple fact. There are no "fender benders" in motorcycing. You go down you are probably coming away with injuries.
"Insurance copanies haven't been any wiser to this yet, but it is high time they were."
You mean they aren't as smart as you? I'm sure they are so stupid. They have no clue right? Sportbikes and young, stupid riders are who they penelize, and for good reason. Stupidity and speed kills regardless of protection. I've probably outlived 150,000 geniuses in helmets. it wasn't by accident. Don't fall down and don't get hurt. There is that "simple" thing again.
"And that is the kind of conclusion you get when you over simplify."
I like simple. No use in making things complicated, like you did. Motorcycles are more dangerous PERIOD. End of story. You get hit you get hurt. Simple fact. There are no "fender benders" in motorcycing. You go down you are probably coming away with injuries.
"Insurance copanies haven't been any wiser to this yet, but it is high time they were."
You mean they aren't as smart as you? I'm sure they are so stupid. They have no clue right? Sportbikes and young, stupid riders are who they penelize, and for good reason. Stupidity and speed kills regardless of protection. I've probably outlived 150,000 geniuses in helmets. it wasn't by accident. Don't fall down and don't get hurt. There is that "simple" thing again.
Re: The Law After KPauls Law
He needs to wear a helmet to protect the concrete from damage!
He needs to wear a helmet to protect the concrete from damage!
Re: Tumbler
"Of course that is why I started riding in the first place, to have a way off relaxing, unwinding, for a tankful of gas forget about the injustices of the world. "
Just be sure to wear your helmet! LOL Had to throw that in!
"Of course that is why I started riding in the first place, to have a way off relaxing, unwinding, for a tankful of gas forget about the injustices of the world. "
Just be sure to wear your helmet! LOL Had to throw that in!
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