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I am absolutely amazed it's taken this long for something like this to happen. Whether the riders were reckless or not, we cannot continue to ***** off the general public and not expect some type of reprisal. I have done my fair share railing for sure but have come to the realization that public roads are not racetracks. There are real racetracks for that sort of thing and for those that haven't tried it yet it's incredibly liberating! No worries about gravel, cops, or other motorists etc, just concentrate your riding.



Unfortunately I think the crackdowns are going to increase at places like this because there are always going to be some that will continue to ride recklessly and ruin it for the rest of us.
 

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From the link:

"Motorcycles racing at high speeds and with extra-loud, modified exhaust pipes have plagued residents of the quiet, remote mountain for years, said Bonnie Phelps, a resident and publisher of a mountain newsletter. But, she said, the problem has become more severe recently. She also said that some residents who have tried to stop the problem have been threatened. "



If that statement is true, then you brought the problem on yourselves. By not policing yourselves, the feds will now do it for you. The same people that cheer helmet laws should love any solution that these people can think of to "save that one life". Get used to it. I'm sure it's only the tip of the iceberg. Time to get together and meet with these people before they get the ball rolling, don't you think? Or is everyone going to sit on their asses, and let them do what they will?
 

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Only if your name is Feinberg.
 

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I say we ride to Palomar and burn it to the ground! Make the Julian fire look like a weenie roast! All in favour say "aye".
 

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After being inducted into the elite group of FIRST POSTERS, I have now read the article. It is a shame that a few are ruining it for the many. If you fail to police yourself then someone will do it for you. The majority of riders are being punished by selective enforcement and paying sky high insurance premiums due to stupid behavior of a few. However, I can't beat the crap out of a squid when they need it, to modify their behavior, without going to jail myself. So what can you do but suck it up?



First, if you ride in that area you need to be prepared. The majority of the folks in that area have the perception that mc riders are responsible for their ills. Whether it is from loud pipes, bright headlights, and unsafe driving behavior, their perceptions are their reality. You need to become a positive voice for riders and educate the public as to your perceptions. I am not going to list the positive things about riding a bike since most of the readers already know them. You need to aquaint yourself with the head of that task force to help them realize your point of view as well. Learn/know your facts and educate the public to them. I bet money that the 97% of the local riders are very safe and are disgusted when they see squidly behavior. The other 3% and visitors to the area (that come to drive like maniacs down the mountain) are about to ruin it for everyone, and that is who needs to be dealt with.



There will be posts saying to fight "the man", and to give up cause it is to late. You are behind the ball since they have already obtained the grant for selective enforcement and the majority of the population agree with it. Get stats and times for police/fire responses, since false alarms and stupid calls will far outway time spent on cycle related incidents and educate the public, police, and fellow riders as to the facts, not perceptions, so they see the true reality. Once educated, the majority of the population will agree with you and will not want the speed limits lowered since once the mc problem is squared away, they will be the recipients of the proactive enforcement.



This is a tough task and few step up to it. However, if you don't address it then you can't complain when your speed limit is ridiculously low, your fines are making the state's budget fat, and you are riding a bicycle. Good luck & let me know if you would need any help.
 

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Oh knock it off. You know that no one is responsible for anything. Don't you know that anyone has the right to do anything they want?



Actually, I'll got you one further, using the same "helmet law logic": People who break speed limits are dangerous. They are lawbreakers and as such should be severley punished with having their licenses revoked. This goes for people who exceed any speed limit anywhere anytime. To drive faster than the speed limit places them at high risk and since I pay taxes that might end up paying for these people's medical costs I have the right to regulate their behavior. Any law is justified if it will save public funds for medical costs.



By the way, you don't eat pizza do you? Because after we get the speeders we're going to get people who don't eat properly. Sure, you can eat pizza. But only if you agree to pay all your own medical costs if you get a heart attack.



This is fun. I can ban any behavior with this "logic".



Any skiers out there? Soon it's your turn.
 

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Darnit, I forgot to say that the sqeaky wheel gets the grease. Sqeak ( a good argument) louder than the left wing safety nazis that "care for all", one blue state at a time, and the right wing freedom loving riders will annoint you with oil when our superiority is revealed!!!!!



Halleluah and Amen



(this was written to tic you off JB)
 

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1. Quiet your bike.



2. Don't ride in groups.



3. Don't ride where everybody else does.



4. Try not to ride at the same location all the time.



It appears that the non-riding populace is having a wide reaction to our fun. I know we are being more careful around here because of it. Time to lay low.
 

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Un-Constitutional

So... isn't this Un-Constitutional?

You can't legally target one group doing something without getting everyone.

Our local HOT roads so to speak also have sports car groups and hopped up Honda Civics going at rather crazy speeds as well...
 

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So, when the residents are traveling at 55 mph will they also get their cars impounded! This is blasphemous! I personally don't ride this canyon but do they really think motorcyclists and drivers alike are going to travel 35 mph through the canyon. I doubt it. How about stopping the few riders that race the canyons and let the others enjoy the pace! Sounds like prejudice! Let’s call the ACLU!
 

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Here's to hoping that this government "crack down" on motorcyclists using Palomar Mountain road meets with the same success as every other government sponsored solution to our nation's problems. VWW
 

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Instead of proposing civil unrest, arson and various other violent yet ultimately counterproductive activities, perhaps those who live in that area should get involved with motorcycle rights organizations.

http://www.abate.org/

Also, the AMA might be good for something here.

In Chicago, they did close Lake Shore Drive (not a canyon- we don't have those here... more of a scenic highway) to motorcyclists but ABATE lobbied and got that repealed.

Same reason: racer types, straight pipes, loud pipes, etc.

We can choose to be part of the solution or part of the problem. Do something and stop complaining.

Just my 2-cents.
 

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LSD is the most unscenic, boring ass road in all of Chicago-land. 6 or 8 lane wide, and the epitome of seriously ****ty pavement. Bikes should be banned because the pot holes will destroy a suspension. No, I'm not really serious about bans, it's a public road after all called US41. Why there is a single bike there that isn't a commuter is beyond me.



Now if it was about bike bans along Sheridan Road north of Evanston, OK, I'll buy that one.
 

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I love to ride any bike on any road. I love the sound of a set of pipes on a Duc. I love to go faster around a turn than I should in total control. But I would hate to deal with someone else doing what they love at the end of my driveway all week-end.

Let's face it, there are a ton of jerk offs with or without the complaints. You better hope that new titanium yomuzhinesongoni pipe fits your 4-trax, because "off road only" isn't far behind when the nit picking "crack down" starts.



BTW, I still get a kick out of watching some Yahoo pull a 90mph wheelie down the fast lane. Man, I wish I could do that.....not that I would, of course.
 

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It is a typical govt solution isn't it? Cater to the most cowardly members of society, the middleclass soccer moms and their emasculated drones of husbands. Punish an entire class of people for the acts of a small minority. It makes the fearful little dweebs feel better.



Another successful Zero Tolerance Campaign! Gotta love it.



You know, there are already simple laws on the books to deal with this. Simply arrest the worst speeders in residential areas for reckless driving. Once you start hauling off the truly irresponsible and dangerous idiots the others will either cool it or go away. But that's too simple a solution isn't it? Gotta get federal funding and generate even more useless govt employmant so those with low IQ can get good paying jobs.
 

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There's a simple solution: Enforce the existing laws. There are plenty of rules in place if the local constabulatory would crack down on the speeders, yahoos and squids, and leave everyone else alone. Make it known that you're being watched, and things will quiet down.



What's pi$$es me off is the trend toward "passive" enforcement systems, like photo radar that require no officer presence. Law enforcement has become a numbers game meant to enrich the coffers of city government, not to actually make the roads safer. If the local traffic cops would do their damn jobs of patroling the road instead of hiding behind a Del Taco waiting for someone to make an illegal u-turn, perhaps this crap wouldn't get out of hand. Instead of hiding, they need to be out in the open, amongst everyone, which will do more to slow down traffic than hiding behind a tree.
 
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