Re: Some things best left to the Europeans . . .
Bob,
You are just wrong. And I mean that on so many levels!
Bob,
You are just wrong. And I mean that on so many levels!
Piaggio Beverly Feedback
Personally I wouldn't mind riding one of these around town for running errands and such, unfortunately there's only room for one motorcycle payment at a time in my wallet. I hope this scooter sells well, but I fear that it may not because we are all too "manly" for them, just as you say, which is a shame. Another problem might be the number of extremely large vehicles on the road. Some people are terrified of getting run over by something bigger than they are, so they will never even consider something this size, regardless of the benefits.
Seriously, I hope it sells well. Maybe then we can get some of those lovely 400 and 500 cc bikes that are sold everywhere else in the world instead of just 600 cc or bigger supersport bikes or the huge giving-birth-riding-position cruisers. Or maybe I'm just a sissy...
Remeber: It's always easier to do things the hard way. Chango
Seriously, I hope it sells well. Maybe then we can get some of those lovely 400 and 500 cc bikes that are sold everywhere else in the world instead of just 600 cc or bigger supersport bikes or the huge giving-birth-riding-position cruisers. Or maybe I'm just a sissy...
Remeber: It's always easier to do things the hard way. Chango
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Re: Some things best left to the Europeans . . .
Not the first time I have been told that
But, I personally find hairy armpits on women very sexy. Just one of my (many) quirks.
Cheers
Bob
Not the first time I have been told that
But, I personally find hairy armpits on women very sexy. Just one of my (many) quirks.
Cheers
Bob
I'm waiting for a CVT motorcycle...
Imagine a bike with a CVT and a 600cc supersport derived engine...
Tasty...
Imagine a bike with a CVT and a 600cc supersport derived engine...
Tasty...
H-Ds
In a related story...Harley Davidson press coordinator Chris Plunkett has announced that they intend to enter the scooter market, noting that more scooters are sold in eorope every year under just a few models than all motorcycles put together.
He went on to provide the details of Harley's preliminary research findings:
"Many scooters still have poor rear suspension; Harley should build something with poor rear suspension.
Many scooters have Continuously Variable Transmissions; Harley should build something that also feels like its slipping all the time and can give you a diffrent gear without actually shifting.
Many scooters are underpowered; Harley should build something underpowered.
Many scooters have oddball wheel sizes, mating a big, skinny front to a smaller, fat rear, thus wrecking handling. Harley should build something with oddball wheel sizes, too.
Many scooters are purely image machines, placing a greater value on appearance than function. (I give you the Pugeot(sp?) Speedfight and the Malaguti 50cc "Foggy Rep".) Likewise, Harley should build something that sacrifices function for image.
Some scooters can achieve a smooth, vibrationless 102mph (downhill, tailwind, drafting a Caddy Escalade). Harley should build something that can achieve 102mph, downhill, drafting an SUV, with a tailwind. Harley should also build a stylish topbox to hold the engine, believing that after it falls out, we have a good chance of getting to 'smooth' and 'vibrationless'.
In a related story...Harley Davidson press coordinator Chris Plunkett has announced that they intend to enter the scooter market, noting that more scooters are sold in eorope every year under just a few models than all motorcycles put together.
He went on to provide the details of Harley's preliminary research findings:
"Many scooters still have poor rear suspension; Harley should build something with poor rear suspension.
Many scooters have Continuously Variable Transmissions; Harley should build something that also feels like its slipping all the time and can give you a diffrent gear without actually shifting.
Many scooters are underpowered; Harley should build something underpowered.
Many scooters have oddball wheel sizes, mating a big, skinny front to a smaller, fat rear, thus wrecking handling. Harley should build something with oddball wheel sizes, too.
Many scooters are purely image machines, placing a greater value on appearance than function. (I give you the Pugeot(sp?) Speedfight and the Malaguti 50cc "Foggy Rep".) Likewise, Harley should build something that sacrifices function for image.
Some scooters can achieve a smooth, vibrationless 102mph (downhill, tailwind, drafting a Caddy Escalade). Harley should build something that can achieve 102mph, downhill, drafting an SUV, with a tailwind. Harley should also build a stylish topbox to hold the engine, believing that after it falls out, we have a good chance of getting to 'smooth' and 'vibrationless'.
Re: Some things best left to the Europeans . . .
I'm sure he wasn't dreaming. That's what had me worried. VWW
I'm sure he wasn't dreaming. That's what had me worried. VWW
Re: Piaggio Beverly Feedback "Scooters?"
I am glad the motorcycle rags haven't resorted to feeding us Scooter articles. There is no scooter market in the US and probably won't be for a long, long time. It doesn't fit in our culture. I guess this is filler till we get the Gixxer report.
I am glad the motorcycle rags haven't resorted to feeding us Scooter articles. There is no scooter market in the US and probably won't be for a long, long time. It doesn't fit in our culture. I guess this is filler till we get the Gixxer report.
Re: H-Ds
Of course R and D would be necessary to pare some power off the top end to give that trademark Harley grunt at idle.
Of course R and D would be necessary to pare some power off the top end to give that trademark Harley grunt at idle.
vfrroom,
Even if I agreed with you, your point would be moot. You see Motorcycle.Com is not a US motorcycle rag. MO is a global motorcycle rag and damned proud. If scooters aren't your thing, by all means, skip over to the EH vs Royal Star, or SV-1000S or Ducati ST2 in the Dolomites, or BMW K-1200GT articles that have been posted in the past 60 days.
Even if I agreed with you, your point would be moot. You see Motorcycle.Com is not a US motorcycle rag. MO is a global motorcycle rag and damned proud. If scooters aren't your thing, by all means, skip over to the EH vs Royal Star, or SV-1000S or Ducati ST2 in the Dolomites, or BMW K-1200GT articles that have been posted in the past 60 days.
No doubt that scooters are much more popular in Europe than in the U.S., but it probably doesnt have anything to do with our real or perceived "manliness." More likely that scooters are cheap transportation that fit well into the European urban environment.
Its my guess if you took a scooter-riding urban Euro-boy and plugged him into a small town or suburb in the good ol U.S. of A., hed drop that scooter like a ton of Brie and saddle up on a real motorcycle - assuming that there is room in his two-car garage between the Buick and Ford Explorer!
God bless easy credit and cheap gas!
Its my guess if you took a scooter-riding urban Euro-boy and plugged him into a small town or suburb in the good ol U.S. of A., hed drop that scooter like a ton of Brie and saddle up on a real motorcycle - assuming that there is room in his two-car garage between the Buick and Ford Explorer!
God bless easy credit and cheap gas!
Can I get an inline 4 scooter? no more twins please. Scooter vs bike comparo needed
When I saw this article I said, oh no not another scooter article. After I read it I said to myself hey if gas gets to $3.00 a gallon I might have to get one. Seriously, because I commute on a freeway where the power and agility of my Ninja has gotten me out of few jams, I don't think I would consider a scooter unless it was quick and agile. To that end I think a scooter vs bike comparo can settle this? MO should look at scooter or bikes that cost the same amount and compare them. Until Sean can prove to me that a scooter can do it I would spend my money on a used bike. Cause America is land of SUVs and you need acceleration, braking and agility to survive on the US freeways, roads and streets.
When I saw this article I said, oh no not another scooter article. After I read it I said to myself hey if gas gets to $3.00 a gallon I might have to get one. Seriously, because I commute on a freeway where the power and agility of my Ninja has gotten me out of few jams, I don't think I would consider a scooter unless it was quick and agile. To that end I think a scooter vs bike comparo can settle this? MO should look at scooter or bikes that cost the same amount and compare them. Until Sean can prove to me that a scooter can do it I would spend my money on a used bike. Cause America is land of SUVs and you need acceleration, braking and agility to survive on the US freeways, roads and streets.
Harley Scooters
I know of lots of Harleys that can achieve smooth, vibrationless 102 mph, downhill, drafting an SUV, with a tailwinid. Of course, these Harleys have been converted to scooters by placing them on the official unofficail Harley scooter kit........a trailer.
I know of lots of Harleys that can achieve smooth, vibrationless 102 mph, downhill, drafting an SUV, with a tailwinid. Of course, these Harleys have been converted to scooters by placing them on the official unofficail Harley scooter kit........a trailer.
Engine smoothness??
The test of the story extols the smoothness of the engine, and says it's a surprise that no counterbalance is used. The pictures show, among other things a 90 degree V Twin (OK, Ducati calls it an L twin). One of the reasons Ducati selected the layout, and that the Japanese copied it, is that an L twin has perfect primary and very good secondary balance. So could the number of cylinders have something to do with it?
Hey MO, why don't you tell your European staff writer to finish his story before he has so much Vino he can't count up to two? Or get the graphics people to quit airbrushing an extra cylinder into the engine, if that's what is going on. Or (almost impossible, I grant) have the site keepers quit studying the wheelie and girlie videos long enough to look at what you're posting.
The test of the story extols the smoothness of the engine, and says it's a surprise that no counterbalance is used. The pictures show, among other things a 90 degree V Twin (OK, Ducati calls it an L twin). One of the reasons Ducati selected the layout, and that the Japanese copied it, is that an L twin has perfect primary and very good secondary balance. So could the number of cylinders have something to do with it?
Hey MO, why don't you tell your European staff writer to finish his story before he has so much Vino he can't count up to two? Or get the graphics people to quit airbrushing an extra cylinder into the engine, if that's what is going on. Or (almost impossible, I grant) have the site keepers quit studying the wheelie and girlie videos long enough to look at what you're posting.
I guess Urapeens need bigger scooters so they can keep up on Italy's new 93mph roads.
Reader smoothness??
Hey Frank, why dont you read the whole story before flinging the mud?
It is quite clearly stated in the text that the twin engine is a prototype of an up and coming model. If we'll ever overlook a tiny detail as an "extra" cylinder then we really should shut this site up.
Thanks for the kind and well thought out words
Yossef
Hey Frank, why dont you read the whole story before flinging the mud?
It is quite clearly stated in the text that the twin engine is a prototype of an up and coming model. If we'll ever overlook a tiny detail as an "extra" cylinder then we really should shut this site up.
Thanks for the kind and well thought out words
Yossef
Re: Some things best left to the Europeans . . .
Lokks like we have a winner in the 2003 "Ugly American" contest.
Lokks like we have a winner in the 2003 "Ugly American" contest.
Re: Some things best left to the Europeans . . .
Excellent well-reasoned argument and snappy comeback. I see you are a student of the Jesse Jackson School of Debate.
Excellent well-reasoned argument and snappy comeback. I see you are a student of the Jesse Jackson School of Debate.
That feeling of a well framed and suspended tool should be taut, not taught.
This one looks nice, but I like the Aprilia Scarabeo 500 better. I saw the Beverly 200 at a local Vespa Boutique and the fit and finish looked way better than comparable scooters from Asia (IMO).
Re: Some things best left to the Europeans . . .
I don't know what kind of Italian women you've known. I've spent the first 27 years of my life in Italy, and I would suggest you to try some for real...
Stereotypes are funny, they sure have some truth, but are also abused by media, movies, etc. It's up to us to find out where truth is. If we care...
I don't know what kind of Italian women you've known. I've spent the first 27 years of my life in Italy, and I would suggest you to try some for real...
Stereotypes are funny, they sure have some truth, but are also abused by media, movies, etc. It's up to us to find out where truth is. If we care...
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