Rear Suspension - Mono Shock vs. Dual Shock
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Re: Anybody out there actually know anything?
What about succeptibility to crash damage? In racing applications a lowside often causes little damage and the bike can be remounted. Bayliss crashed twice in one race and still finished. Crashing a dual shock bike could cause all kinds of problems to the springs, damper and swingarm.
What about succeptibility to crash damage? In racing applications a lowside often causes little damage and the bike can be remounted. Bayliss crashed twice in one race and still finished. Crashing a dual shock bike could cause all kinds of problems to the springs, damper and swingarm.
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Longer wheel travel, Yamaha doubled their wheel travel when they came out w/ the YZ 250 mono-shock back in the mid '70's and cleaned up 'till the competition came up w/ their own design. plus alot more precise tuning capability, and stronger swingarms that don't interfere w/ shocks. those are my guesses.
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Did you figure out how the shock set-up works on the new 600RR honda yet? I've read that the top of the shock attaches to the swing-arm as well as the bottom, I'm having a time trying figure that one out, I guess I'll have to wait till the bike show in December to see if they have a cut-away or something.
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heres a thumbs up for the dual shock....under seat storage!
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MY ACTUAL MONOSHOCK EXPERIENCE...
"Is one rear suspension method better than the other? Or is it simply a cost issue?"
After a long riding layoff, several years ago I bought a little '01 Honda VLX "starter" cruiser, with 583cc, and, unfortunately, toyota sedan performance.
We have WORLD CLASS rotten roads in my community, and I was assured by the Honda dealer that the monoshock was the functional equivalent of the standard external two rear shock setup. With a bad back, believe me, it was a question I asked several times.
The answer to the question, based on my experience, is NO!; a single monoshockwill not provide the same amount of suspenson function as traditional external twin rear shocks!
And then I found out that mother Honda had , starting with the '99 model. "improved". i.e.-changed, the rear setup, including swingarm and rear mono shock, on the bike I already have.
What the above change meant is that NO ONE yet makes a replacement aftermarket monoshock upgrade for this recently improved model! And I called ALL the suspension companies, too; several times~
I traded the bike after a year of poor functioning monoshock butt and back torture!
And, ya know, since Honda OWNS Showa, I can't figure out why MOST Honda buyers wind up having to upgrade their suspensions, regardless of type! Honda, (Performancce First!), should equip ALL their bikes with a great functioning Showa shock right off the boat!
Cheap bastards....
"Is one rear suspension method better than the other? Or is it simply a cost issue?"
After a long riding layoff, several years ago I bought a little '01 Honda VLX "starter" cruiser, with 583cc, and, unfortunately, toyota sedan performance.
We have WORLD CLASS rotten roads in my community, and I was assured by the Honda dealer that the monoshock was the functional equivalent of the standard external two rear shock setup. With a bad back, believe me, it was a question I asked several times.
The answer to the question, based on my experience, is NO!; a single monoshockwill not provide the same amount of suspenson function as traditional external twin rear shocks!
And then I found out that mother Honda had , starting with the '99 model. "improved". i.e.-changed, the rear setup, including swingarm and rear mono shock, on the bike I already have.
What the above change meant is that NO ONE yet makes a replacement aftermarket monoshock upgrade for this recently improved model! And I called ALL the suspension companies, too; several times~
I traded the bike after a year of poor functioning monoshock butt and back torture!
And, ya know, since Honda OWNS Showa, I can't figure out why MOST Honda buyers wind up having to upgrade their suspensions, regardless of type! Honda, (Performancce First!), should equip ALL their bikes with a great functioning Showa shock right off the boat!
Cheap bastards....
Re: Rear Suspension - think early kawi UniTrak
The early Kawi MXers compressed the shock from the top,you could conceivably compress it from both ends,with neither end mounted to the frame..Mount the lower eye solidly to the swingarm,then a link from the swingarm runs up to a lever,center of lever pivots in frame,other end of lever attaches to upper shock eye....
The early Kawi MXers compressed the shock from the top,you could conceivably compress it from both ends,with neither end mounted to the frame..Mount the lower eye solidly to the swingarm,then a link from the swingarm runs up to a lever,center of lever pivots in frame,other end of lever attaches to upper shock eye....
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Re: MY ACTUAL MONOSHOCK EXPERIENCE...
It's not a function of the concept of design, as much as it is the desire for low seat height and looks that hampers your machines suspension compliance. Ride the same roads on an XR650L (monoshock design) and I think you'll see a world of diffefence in compliance and suppleness. Cruisers often make sacrifices in performance for image.
It's not a function of the concept of design, as much as it is the desire for low seat height and looks that hampers your machines suspension compliance. Ride the same roads on an XR650L (monoshock design) and I think you'll see a world of diffefence in compliance and suppleness. Cruisers often make sacrifices in performance for image.
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