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"notably absent from its 2003 early-release Redbook are all three CBRs: 600F4i, 954RR and 1100XX"



I couldn't wait for Honda's new $10+K CBRXX. A '02 Suzuki Bandit 1200S was waiting for me. Just $6,900 out the door...



Philip

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2003 GSXR 1000

Yep, but wait till you see the 2003 gsxr1000. new styling. new components. more power, and less weight. they better not have held back at all on the cbr1000 or the new gsxr1000 is gonna hurt it bad.
 

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Re: Now that's what I call journalism!

Z3Coupe makes a valid observation. You're latest missive is VERY similar to MotorcycleDaily's earlier article.

I'm not bothered that MO and MotorcycleDaily should run similar stories. There's no reason two moto commentators can't have similar perspectives... but why do you have to insult Z3? (He's not the first subscriber to call for meatier content.)

And why do you condescend to MD? Not only do they share your perspective, but also they published it first.

Now what are you going to do, tell me to "get two big black dogs..."?
 

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Re: Now that's what I call journalism!

I don't want to turn this into another motorcycle.com pissing match, but...

"Pay up!" You said. "If you pay us, we'll have more and better content!"

"Okay" Said us, and wallets parted. Cobwebs were pushed asides, and dollars changed hands.

So where's the more and better content we were promised? I actually think you guys were better off when it was free! Now you spend our subscription money on beer! Don't think I didn't see the beer next to the computer when I was supposed to be staring at the boobies in the jacket...

*sigh*

I actually *do* like you guys. That's why I keep coming back. That's why it bothers me that you're not living up to your potential. If I didn't care, I wouldn't poke fun.

But seriously, where's the beef? The super-sport-touring comparo? The Nekkid Bike comparo? The SV vs All-Things-Two-Wheeled comparo? Having the intern tell us about his new shock? Or his new headlights? Puh-leez. While I do admire his work, that's not the kind of more and better content we all had in mind.
 

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Re: Now that's what I call journalism!

*****, man. You got us nailed. Sorry for taking your buck a month milk money. You'll be very happy with Dirk Edge over there. It's cutting-edge stuff.
 

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Re: Now that's what I call journalism!

The "It's only one dollar a month" excuse doesn't cut it anymore guys, so stop beating it to death. You guys have said for the psat month and a half that we would see all the stuff mentioned in the previous post.

And Z3 was polite about it...I'm sure 996R or whatever his name is will loan you use of his 'Busa in an expletive laced post soon, for the hyper-bike comparo (or Supersport Tour comparo, or whatever it was shaping up to be)

And as long as you're willing to curse out Z3, JohnnyB, where the F is my Competition Accessories gift certificate, HMMMMM!?!?!?! The emails I get from you all announcing the stories says new subscribers get it, but I think none of us did.

If you guys need some help, friggin' email me. I'll do whatever labor you need in exchange for room, board and track time for comparos for up to 2 weeks and I'll call it a vacation. Hell, I'll come up with my own food, just give me a place to sleep and bikes to ride. Don't think I'm not serious...I am.

We love you guys, but we need some beef. C'mon, Where's the Beef?

--Foxy wubs j00!
 

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Re: Now that's what I call journalism!

This is totally not the direction that I wanted this to take, but who knows, maybe it's good for readership?

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Pssst... Didja hear The BLM (tm) is in a pissing match with another person on the web-board?

KPaul again, or someone new?

We better check this out!

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*sigh*

I would like to engage in an open debate about the future of Motorcycle.com as well as the future of this new medium which is embodied by Motorcycle.com.

I was, for the most part, being sarcastic in my references to money. Yes, the money is an insignificant amount. And honestly, even if the price had been double or triple what you (MO) asked for, I would probably have paid. It's a very interesting social experiment as much as a business, and I don't think I would want to miss out on it.

I think the time of the traditional print magazines (for certain niche markets, anyway, motorcycles being one) is drawing short. They have become parodies of themselves - and slaves to the hype and PR machines that run the industry. But that's another rant for another day.

That's where you (MO) come in! Easy access to the personalities featured, quicker access to content, etc. Less BS, more "reality." The best part being the interaction between the readership and the editorial staff... All good stuff. Contrary to what you may believe, I really do like Motorcycle.com, and hope that you guys to make a killing in the market. I think it advances the medium on the whole.

That said, this isn't a popularity contest. There's room enough for MO, a true alternative to the print magazines, *AND* others - like Dirk Edge at motorcycledaily.com. And let's not forget Dean Adams at amasuperbike.com!

Each of the sites has it's purpose, and fulfills it very well. The purposes range from light reading to hardcore racing news to indepth motorcycle reviews and comparisons and top-notch editorial content. I can't say that any is better or worse than the other, because all are fulfilling different needs. Apples and oranges, man!

However, it is VERY UNBECOMING to resort to attacking others.

I guess the boards here at MO are not immune to the problems of message boards across the internet. People think that the anonymity provided by the medium gives them the right to be a total *******. To an extent, that's true. But we all lose out. Communication becomes difficult, and what should be thought provoking debates and exchanges of ideas denegrate into pissing matches and jokes about mothers.

Well done in furthering that decline, Mr. Burns.
 

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What about the 919?

I know its not considered a "real" sportbike but I'm holding off buying a 919 until I know they're bringing them in at least one more year. A very large dealership I called to check prices told me a rumor that the 919 is not coming in 2003 due to poor sales. Please check your early release redbook for the 919 and see if there are changes for the CB900F2.

Thanks

David
 

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Re: Now that's what I call journalism!

Oh lighten up for God's sake. Get a big black dog up yas is an endearment. Our content IS a bit light obviously; MO is charity work for most of us here. We do it for love and because people give us motorcycles and stuff. To compare the way we do things, to the way some other sites do things, hurts. Is motorcycledaily the one where they were complaining about FJR300 frame flex or something? That was good for a laugh. You know, anybody can throw up a web site and claim to be an expert about anything.

Fine, man. Abandon MO. You don't want our 5-bike naked test we've been slaving over for a month? What joke about mothers? Why do I bother... I'm done. Never mind.
 

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Re: What about the 919?

They will be selling 1200 Bandits for '03, and FZ1's, If you can't find a 919, those two are excellent options, as are speed triple's and ducati monster's, I'd hate to see Honda miss the boat because of flawed market analysis, but they seem to be missing the boat on a few of their models,,,,, just my opinion, for what it's worth.
 

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Re: What about the 919?

[email protected] To me that says that they are not bringing in the 919 next year. Usually if there is no update but "Bold New Graphics" it will be listed among the early release press materials. I guess it is possible that Honda did a serious update to a niche bike only one year after introduction but I doubt it.

I was really looking forward to buying one despite its flaws. Who knows maybe for once Honda listened to its customers and fixed the issues with the 2002 but I doubt it.

Oh well, I'll wait a few more weeks to see and keep my eye on the used FZ-1's. If only the FZ could lose that butt ugly fairing and get the FI system off the R1.

Thanks for the prompt response. So were you just mouthing off or is there really a nakid bike comparo in the works?

David
 

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Re: What about the 919?

Yeah the Honda is flawed but so is every model. Honda emphasized agility with a light bike, quick steering geometry, linear torque but then did not follow through with top shelf suspension. I'd love a bike that emphasizes agility over top end power but finish the job at least. The reason I'm leaning to the 919 is its flaws are fixable with time and money.

The FZ1 is my second choice but I hate that quarter fairing and I'd rather have the FI system than four carbs to clean and maintain and rejet.

Bandit's out because I live in Houston. Lousy traffic to commute in and extremely hot weather make an air cooled bike miserable.

SV650 is a reasonable choice but it needs too much work to bring it up to snuff in power and suspension. By the time you get a SV modded up to its potential you've spent as much money as a 919. If I found an outstanding deal on an SV I might still consider one.

Triumphs are out of my league in price and maintenance issues. Good bikes but I don't want to deal with parts availability and such.

Kawasaki's ZR series is pretty decent for nakid bikes but the 93 ZR1100 I left a bad taste in my mouth that has yet to go away. It was a maintenance nightmare.

Ducati? Two words: Valve Maintenance. . Too expensive to ride.

What a ramble... There really is a niche in the nakid bike to make a monster like bike that does not have the desmo maintenance issues at a reasonable pricepoint.

C'mon SV1000 or even better, stuff an RC51 power plant in a 919 frame and call it good :).

David
 
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