SunL ''Super Sport 200'' . . . Chinese Fun for $2k
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I've read some people's gripes about these bikes on different bb's on the net. The reviews have been less than stellar. The chinese have a knack for slapping together parts that will run ok for 1-3k miles before starting to fall apart. For my $2000 i'd rather buy a older model used Kawasaki Ninja 250 or a Honda Nighthawk 250.
If this bike is like alot of other chinese imports two main issues come into play.
1. They usually claim that these bikes are based on Honda bikes and parts will interchange. Which from what i've read rarely works
2. If you live in a state that requires inspection or emission checks to register, these bikes haven't done well at all.
Someone wrote somewhere that they import these items as toys and not motor vehicles so they can avoid meeting emission standards.
Note this is what i've read and have not confirmed it for myself.
If this bike is like alot of other chinese imports two main issues come into play.
1. They usually claim that these bikes are based on Honda bikes and parts will interchange. Which from what i've read rarely works
2. If you live in a state that requires inspection or emission checks to register, these bikes haven't done well at all.
Someone wrote somewhere that they import these items as toys and not motor vehicles so they can avoid meeting emission standards.
Note this is what i've read and have not confirmed it for myself.
This is exactly what I heard from people too. Worse even, some of these break within 50 miles, some last longer.
They all claim to be Honda based, or manufactured on old Honda factory equipment, but that's just BS. They are saying that because it helps you believe this is quality stuff. Same with the Korean/Alphasports/what-the-new-name 650 being an SV650 - *NOT* true.
They all claim to be Honda based, or manufactured on old Honda factory equipment, but that's just BS. They are saying that because it helps you believe this is quality stuff. Same with the Korean/Alphasports/what-the-new-name 650 being an SV650 - *NOT* true.
Well, there is certainly some weaknesses with Chinese bikes, but I think you're painting with a pretty broad brush in reference to the Alphasports/Hyosung 650.
Hyosung is a Korean company that did a bit of sub-assembly work for Suzuki I believe. Including the manufacture of engines for Suzuki products sold in various Asian markets. That 650cc bike that they're selling in the States may not be on par with a Suzuki SV650 yet, but when they get the suspension sorted it will be a formidable competitor in the sport market.
Hyosung is a Korean company that did a bit of sub-assembly work for Suzuki I believe. Including the manufacture of engines for Suzuki products sold in various Asian markets. That 650cc bike that they're selling in the States may not be on par with a Suzuki SV650 yet, but when they get the suspension sorted it will be a formidable competitor in the sport market.
Sorry, I did not mean to bash the quality of Hyosung - only the Chinese ;-) . My comment about Hyosung was more towards the fact they they and the dealers always present this as a SV650-related bike with some sort of Suzuki blessing.
It has NOTHING to do with Suzuki, except that they took the SV650 and tried to copy it. I am sure that Suzuki is not very happy about this.
Also, FWIW, Hyosung is a giant company (mainly textiles if I remember correctly), and the motorcyle business is a branch of their "trading" division. It's a very, very minor part of their overall business. They could decide to expand it, drop it, or just import Chinese stuff. I hope they expand.
It has NOTHING to do with Suzuki, except that they took the SV650 and tried to copy it. I am sure that Suzuki is not very happy about this.
Also, FWIW, Hyosung is a giant company (mainly textiles if I remember correctly), and the motorcyle business is a branch of their "trading" division. It's a very, very minor part of their overall business. They could decide to expand it, drop it, or just import Chinese stuff. I hope they expand.
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Cool! Ride the thing and get us a review, [email protected]! 
Keep track of all of the positives and negatives over the next 3000 miles and let us know.
Keep track of all of the positives and negatives over the next 3000 miles and let us know.
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Good luck getting parts and a shop that will work on it. And work it will need, I get them in my shop and sadly I have to tell the people who own them that they are on their own, because I can not help them . And when they go back to the place of purchase, usually Checker or Pep Boys, they waste their time.
I guess the Japanese started like that after WWII, but they have a great work ethic and have come a long way, the chinese better copy that, as well as the quality control side, otherwise they will implode in no time at all.
I guess the Japanese started like that after WWII, but they have a great work ethic and have come a long way, the chinese better copy that, as well as the quality control side, otherwise they will implode in no time at all.
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Some of the specs seem a little odd, but it does look better than a Ninja 250. Might be a copy of the Euro-market Honda CBR125 with a dirtbike motor.
http://www.sunl.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=191&osCsid=90b57e88e9c239458c0332a5a7b296d1
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Overall dimension(Inches):L80 X W30 X H44
Dry weight(Lbs):308
Max.load(Lbs):374
Ground clearance(Inches):6
Brake(Front/Rear)isk(Front).Drum(Rear)
Brake operation type:Manual(Front).Foot brake(Rear)
Tire size(Front/Rear):Front:100/80-10 Rear:130/80-15
Seat height(Form ground to highest point)(Inches):34
Max speed(Mph):75
Wheelbase(Inches):52
Engine:163FML
Engine type:Single-cylinder.4-Stroke.wind-cooled
Bore&Storke(Inches):25 X 24
Rating Power:11.5kw/8500r/min+450r/min
Max.Horspower:12.5kw/8500r/min+475r/min
Max.Torque:11.5N.M/7000r/min+375r/min
Idle:1500r/min
Compression:9.0:1
http://www.sunl.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=191&osCsid=90b57e88e9c239458c0332a5a7b296d1
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Overall dimension(Inches):L80 X W30 X H44
Dry weight(Lbs):308
Max.load(Lbs):374
Ground clearance(Inches):6
Brake(Front/Rear)
isk(Front).Drum(Rear)Brake operation type:Manual(Front).Foot brake(Rear)
Tire size(Front/Rear):Front:100/80-10 Rear:130/80-15
Seat height(Form ground to highest point)(Inches):34
Max speed(Mph):75
Wheelbase(Inches):52
Engine:163FML
Engine type:Single-cylinder.4-Stroke.wind-cooled
Bore&Storke(Inches):25 X 24
Rating Power:11.5kw/8500r/min+450r/min
Max.Horspower:12.5kw/8500r/min+475r/min
Max.Torque:11.5N.M/7000r/min+375r/min
Idle:1500r/min
Compression:9.0:1
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Them commie devils make neat stuff. Hell, almost every tool that's not 10 years or older in my roll-a-way is made in China.
Not to mention my motorized bicycles (80cc Fuji motor copies).
Have fun with your new bike. I'm sure it'll be rock solid reliable.
Not to mention my motorized bicycles (80cc Fuji motor copies).
Have fun with your new bike. I'm sure it'll be rock solid reliable.
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That's the bike. Those specs are definitely a little hinky. For example, the front wheel isn't 10 inches, and they'd better learn quick that you're supposed to measure the LOWEST seat height.
As for the max speed it has no trouble running an indicated 60mph, but I suspect the speedo is way off. The seat height isn't actually as low as I would have figured, but its very narrow so feels lower than it probably is. The dry weight I am inclined to believe, its very light. I would love to put together a full review with pictures and everything for MO to put up...maybe someone will get back to me on that.
Harry
As for the max speed it has no trouble running an indicated 60mph, but I suspect the speedo is way off. The seat height isn't actually as low as I would have figured, but its very narrow so feels lower than it probably is. The dry weight I am inclined to believe, its very light. I would love to put together a full review with pictures and everything for MO to put up...maybe someone will get back to me on that.
Harry
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Well, as far as working on it goes, you're talking to the mechanic. The importer knew nothing about the bike, first one he got, though he seemed fairly good with the scooters they had. The importer (a Vietnamese gentleman) was very happy to learn that I'm an engineering type/amateur bike mechanic, and has asked me to help him out at the shop with the bikes when he gets more in. I agree that
this is probably how the Japanese got started...have to being somewhere. Should be interesting...
this is probably how the Japanese got started...have to being somewhere. Should be interesting...
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Here's a page with some more info about the engine.
http://minimotorsca.siteprotect.net/default.asp?mn=1.28.55
Says it interchanges with various Hondas. I'll have to see if it'll actually take Honda-spec parts, though.
Harry
http://minimotorsca.siteprotect.net/default.asp?mn=1.28.55
Says it interchanges with various Hondas. I'll have to see if it'll actually take Honda-spec parts, though.
Harry
yeah, add "i bought a chinese knockoff" to the list of risky activities that need documenting (for our amusement)
frankly i think it's nuts to be an "early adopter" when it comes to life-and-death activities. i'm always the first to get new gadgets when they hit the market, but when they inevitably seize up i don't wind up sliding across any pavement at 100mph (or whatever this thing's capable of).
frankly i think it's nuts to be an "early adopter" when it comes to life-and-death activities. i'm always the first to get new gadgets when they hit the market, but when they inevitably seize up i don't wind up sliding across any pavement at 100mph (or whatever this thing's capable of).
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I was wondering that myself.
In one of his posts he mentioned that he's 81. Not sure if he was yankin' our rods or not on that.
In one of his posts he mentioned that he's 81. Not sure if he was yankin' our rods or not on that.
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Good luck and I hope the project works out well. It would be great to see MO take you up on the review and report as to how it rides and what to expect if someone was to purchase one.
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Are you talking about me? If so I'm not 81, dunno where you got that, just a mere 26. So, sure, early adopter. This was a pure impulse buy, but I've had an eye out for a cheap starter bike to pick up and turn over.
Harry
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