Suzuki 4-Stroke GP preview
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Nothing to do with the Suzuki 4 stroke preview...
I would just like to vent. This is the first year i have had to pay for MO. Now when i discovered MO and a few other sites devoted to motorcycles and sportbikes I was overwhelmed with excitement. Go back two years and you guys had articles on all the new sportbikes way before anyone else. You also had the best comparisons. I remember it like it was yesterday... AHHH i had just bought the 99 R6 and i used MO to chose which supersport i would buy. You had a comparo of all the 600's and u thru in a duc 748 for fun. I loved it. Now i bought my bike in April of 99. I feel bad for shoppers of these bikes this year. They have NOTHING to go by. What happened to you. You took our money and now what. I want to clarify that i am not writing in anger. I would just like to know when the supersport camparo will come and when sportbike of the year will come and when the hooligan comparo will come? Now i know i will get flak from some of the die hard cycleheads who will say i am being harsh. Let me tell you something. Most of the people who read MO read it for the comparisons and articles on the bikes, not for the interview of AL or for the previews of the races. I admit that i read the previews mostly but i sign on everyday to see whats new for bikes and HOPE to see the 600 comparo. Now i know i speak for quite a few of the MO crew, most of who will never read what i had to say because they do not care about the GP preview. Please... tell me where our money went and when can we expect to see the supersport bikes compared???I now ride the 02 R1 but i am still wondering who is top 600 this year. I will not hold my breath to see if the duc is thrown in. Please fill me in. Tell me where our money is going... or went?
I would just like to vent. This is the first year i have had to pay for MO. Now when i discovered MO and a few other sites devoted to motorcycles and sportbikes I was overwhelmed with excitement. Go back two years and you guys had articles on all the new sportbikes way before anyone else. You also had the best comparisons. I remember it like it was yesterday... AHHH i had just bought the 99 R6 and i used MO to chose which supersport i would buy. You had a comparo of all the 600's and u thru in a duc 748 for fun. I loved it. Now i bought my bike in April of 99. I feel bad for shoppers of these bikes this year. They have NOTHING to go by. What happened to you. You took our money and now what. I want to clarify that i am not writing in anger. I would just like to know when the supersport camparo will come and when sportbike of the year will come and when the hooligan comparo will come? Now i know i will get flak from some of the die hard cycleheads who will say i am being harsh. Let me tell you something. Most of the people who read MO read it for the comparisons and articles on the bikes, not for the interview of AL or for the previews of the races. I admit that i read the previews mostly but i sign on everyday to see whats new for bikes and HOPE to see the 600 comparo. Now i know i speak for quite a few of the MO crew, most of who will never read what i had to say because they do not care about the GP preview. Please... tell me where our money went and when can we expect to see the supersport bikes compared???I now ride the 02 R1 but i am still wondering who is top 600 this year. I will not hold my breath to see if the duc is thrown in. Please fill me in. Tell me where our money is going... or went?
Re: Nothing to do with the Suzuki 4 stroke preview...
bluyzfr6,
Your money is going to what most people have asked for: more and beter content. We've hired John Burns as editor and are building up staff, etc. We've smoked the other motorcycle sites/magazines with first looks/comparos, etc on a routine basis.
True, we haven't done a Supersport comparo just yet, but we've had other priorities. You'll get what you want. We're trying to make everybody happy. If you need anything else or have any formal requests, feel free to e-mail me directly at [email protected] or John at [email protected]
-- minime
bluyzfr6,
Your money is going to what most people have asked for: more and beter content. We've hired John Burns as editor and are building up staff, etc. We've smoked the other motorcycle sites/magazines with first looks/comparos, etc on a routine basis.
True, we haven't done a Supersport comparo just yet, but we've had other priorities. You'll get what you want. We're trying to make everybody happy. If you need anything else or have any formal requests, feel free to e-mail me directly at [email protected] or John at [email protected]
-- minime
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Re: Nothing to do with the Suzuki 4 stroke preview...
Chill out, dude. Just go read last year's 600 comparos again, and apply the results to '02, unless you really get worked up over bold new graphics. I think they're doing an excellent job, and really don't care to see them re-hashing tests that have already been done just because another model year has arrived.
I also enjoy the tests and esp. sportbike comparos, but they take a lot of resources/coordination, and there are only so many tests you can do. I'd still like to see the top 2 liter twins face off against the top 2 Jap I4 literbikes.
Chill out, dude. Just go read last year's 600 comparos again, and apply the results to '02, unless you really get worked up over bold new graphics. I think they're doing an excellent job, and really don't care to see them re-hashing tests that have already been done just because another model year has arrived.
I also enjoy the tests and esp. sportbike comparos, but they take a lot of resources/coordination, and there are only so many tests you can do. I'd still like to see the top 2 liter twins face off against the top 2 Jap I4 literbikes.
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If you want an insight to a "new" 600 read the AL interview. He states the new 600 will be somthing to be reckoned with and Duhamel will be riding it. Ig Miguel will return to the 600 class must be one hell of a bike. Patience grasshopper. Oh by the the way Andy I really enjoyed the interview with Ludington.
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Re: Suzuki 4-Stroke GP preview- WELCOME THE MICHELIN MAN!!!
Another boost for Suzuki, as Michelin says that they'll be using their rubber on the bikes from now on. The only draw back is that they can NOT have the newer tires developed for the 4 strokes. They'll get the rubber developed for the 2001 season. Will it help? Hopefully!
It is kinda boring watching the Honda "diesels" kick butt all the time. Too bad one of the Manufacturers would'nt continue development of the two strokes. Or the F.I.M. could bump the displacment up to 600c.c. for two stokes.
Another boost for Suzuki, as Michelin says that they'll be using their rubber on the bikes from now on. The only draw back is that they can NOT have the newer tires developed for the 4 strokes. They'll get the rubber developed for the 2001 season. Will it help? Hopefully!
It is kinda boring watching the Honda "diesels" kick butt all the time. Too bad one of the Manufacturers would'nt continue development of the two strokes. Or the F.I.M. could bump the displacment up to 600c.c. for two stokes.
Hey why does everyone wan't the "Playing field level." I wan't Honda to dominate. Then I want Suzuki to make a better bike then Yamaha and then I want Honda to make a bike that beats those ones. The whole point of racing is to develop and promote your products. The more one team dominates the more other manufactures have to improve their bikes. It all means better bikes for the consumer. Most places don't allow you to drive two-stroke bikes on the street so I could care less if they go extinct. If I want to ride a two stroke I'll buy a dirtbike.
Re: Nothing to do with the Suzuki 4 stroke preview : ZZR & FJR
Yup, I would like to see the FJR / ZZR comparo as well, maybe with the K12RS, Aprilia Futura and Ducati ST4S thrown in for sport touring laughs. The 600s have been done to death in the print magazines, and there isn't much change this year.
Nobody has had a shootout of the new sporty-tourers.
Sportbike (I think) magazine which tested the K12RS, Futura, Triumph ST and Duc ST4S.
I would like to get an opinion of the FJR and ZZR versus the rest, with some testing comments on which is the better / faster over the road in the real world (just like was done with the Buell / Duc 900SS recently).
Of course this should cover all the aspects owners of such bikes usually use them for: sport riding, multi-day touring, day-to-day commuting, in diverse road, traffic and weather conditions. Some information on those little issues such as cost of longer term maintenance, 'liveability', fit-finish and stuff wouldn't go amiss either.
Not much to ask for, is it? ;->
Yup, I would like to see the FJR / ZZR comparo as well, maybe with the K12RS, Aprilia Futura and Ducati ST4S thrown in for sport touring laughs. The 600s have been done to death in the print magazines, and there isn't much change this year.
Nobody has had a shootout of the new sporty-tourers.
Sportbike (I think) magazine which tested the K12RS, Futura, Triumph ST and Duc ST4S.
I would like to get an opinion of the FJR and ZZR versus the rest, with some testing comments on which is the better / faster over the road in the real world (just like was done with the Buell / Duc 900SS recently).
Of course this should cover all the aspects owners of such bikes usually use them for: sport riding, multi-day touring, day-to-day commuting, in diverse road, traffic and weather conditions. Some information on those little issues such as cost of longer term maintenance, 'liveability', fit-finish and stuff wouldn't go amiss either.
Not much to ask for, is it? ;->
Re: Nothing to do with the Suzuki 4 stroke preview : ZZR & FJR
This is the test I want to see also. And if/when you do it, puh-leeez do get the new K12RS in there! Motorcylist gave it kind of a sideways glance, not even fully including it in the sport-tourer test. I'd really like to see a FJR/ZZR/KRS/ST1300 comparo done in your new expanded format (which is excellent, BTW.)
A test that takes the bikes on a two week shakedown tour would be best... yeah, that's the ticket!... Need another test rider?
This is the test I want to see also. And if/when you do it, puh-leeez do get the new K12RS in there! Motorcylist gave it kind of a sideways glance, not even fully including it in the sport-tourer test. I'd really like to see a FJR/ZZR/KRS/ST1300 comparo done in your new expanded format (which is excellent, BTW.)
A test that takes the bikes on a two week shakedown tour would be best... yeah, that's the ticket!... Need another test rider?
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Re: Nothing to do with the Suzuki 4 stroke preview...
Hey Mini, not to be a total perv but where's the babe shots from daytona? you guy's haven't done a gratuitus babe shoot for a while now, and frankly i'm shocked! not really but I did get a kick out of the classic " biker chick ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ",pure art, anyway great site, my first choice, money well spent, blah blah blah
Hey Mini, not to be a total perv but where's the babe shots from daytona? you guy's haven't done a gratuitus babe shoot for a while now, and frankly i'm shocked! not really but I did get a kick out of the classic " biker chick ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ",pure art, anyway great site, my first choice, money well spent, blah blah blah
In the future, rules will allow...
...certain basketball teams to field 10 players on the court
...certain batters to get 6 strikes and you're out
...certain racing motorcycle engines to be double-sized
Parity? who the F cares about parity. And who cares about racing while we're at it? All I want is a better street bike 15 years from now
In case you can't detect my sarcasm, i think grand prix this year is a total flop. RC211V on pole, RC211V wins. RC211V on pole, RC211V wins. RC211V on pole, RC211V wins. RC211V on pole, RC211V wins. RC211V on pole, RC211V wins. yeah, that's reeeeeeal exciting racing
...certain basketball teams to field 10 players on the court
...certain batters to get 6 strikes and you're out
...certain racing motorcycle engines to be double-sized
Parity? who the F cares about parity. And who cares about racing while we're at it? All I want is a better street bike 15 years from now
In case you can't detect my sarcasm, i think grand prix this year is a total flop. RC211V on pole, RC211V wins. RC211V on pole, RC211V wins. RC211V on pole, RC211V wins. RC211V on pole, RC211V wins. RC211V on pole, RC211V wins. yeah, that's reeeeeeal exciting racing
The whole point of racing
I am very glad to see Suzuki working on the GP bike, and I hope that work gets applied to street bikes. That is the whole point, right?
When you think about it that way, the whole rules structure for racing is all screwed up. The sanctioning bodies should look for street based regulations and allow a certain displacement bike that meets California (or somewhere) licensing standards. There would have to be a few concessions to racing like no lights, but the emissions controls, noise regulations and so on would apply.
Any way you could satisfy those regulations would be fair. If you can build a two stroke that passes the standards, run it! If you can't, do something else. If you want to run a two stroke V-8, fire it up! Think of the amazing street bikes we would have in ten years if the racing bodies did something like that.
I am very glad to see Suzuki working on the GP bike, and I hope that work gets applied to street bikes. That is the whole point, right?
When you think about it that way, the whole rules structure for racing is all screwed up. The sanctioning bodies should look for street based regulations and allow a certain displacement bike that meets California (or somewhere) licensing standards. There would have to be a few concessions to racing like no lights, but the emissions controls, noise regulations and so on would apply.
Any way you could satisfy those regulations would be fair. If you can build a two stroke that passes the standards, run it! If you can't, do something else. If you want to run a two stroke V-8, fire it up! Think of the amazing street bikes we would have in ten years if the racing bodies did something like that.
Re: Nothing to do with the Suzuki 4 stroke preview : ZZR & FJR
Although a comparo test would be great, I've stepped up to the plate and put my $500 down for the FJR...just waiting for delivery. The FJR has what I want: way more than enough power (compared to BMW Boxers), shaft drive (not available on Kawasaki, Triumph Sprint ST, and others), hard bags, heated grips, less weight (when compared to K12, ST13), great ergonomics for long distance. It doesn't have ABS (unfortunately), Telelever front (unfortunately), but I can still have those on my other bike - BMW R1100GS.
Although a comparo test would be great, I've stepped up to the plate and put my $500 down for the FJR...just waiting for delivery. The FJR has what I want: way more than enough power (compared to BMW Boxers), shaft drive (not available on Kawasaki, Triumph Sprint ST, and others), hard bags, heated grips, less weight (when compared to K12, ST13), great ergonomics for long distance. It doesn't have ABS (unfortunately), Telelever front (unfortunately), but I can still have those on my other bike - BMW R1100GS.
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