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Suzuki GSX1400; The Hemi 'Cuda of Motorcycles and the injustice concerning it

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#1 ·
Yes, it's sad but true that the US market has either been deprived of or has alternately turned a cold-shoulder to many standard bikes.....if it wasn't a cruiser or a full-plastic sport-bike, they collected dust in the show-room.



This tide may be turning back towards standards with the FZ1, CB919(boring), and ZR1200 out now and the hot new Kaw Z1000 coming soom.



Unfortunately, I don't see an air-cooled bike making it into the line-up....might be as simple as harder noise and emissions regs to just being "out-spec'd" on the showroom next to the more modern equivalents.....not fair maybe, but you know what they say fairness...
 
#2 ·
All that I've read indicates that the GSX1400 is restricted to about 100 horsepower. Suzuki and the other Japanese importers don't believe that north americans will buy such a bike when they can get an FZ1 or ZRX1200 with more power. They may be right.



Personally, I'd like to see a big block triple, maybe 1200cc and a balance shaft for sure. It'd be like a modern Laverda Jota.
 
#6 ·
I'm sure the biggest reason they didn't bring it here is because they think it won't sell. By looking at the sales of bikes in it's genre, I would say they are 100% correct. Ask KPaul. Them GenXers want price/performance, and I'm sure this one falls way short of most bikes out there. Torque? Who ever brags about that? Light? No. Fastest thing on Earth? No. Competent? Probably. Comfortable? Most certainly. Performance oriented? Not! The GSX1400 has no outstanding features other than it's girth, and resemblence to 1980 standards, which is why it would be dead in the water here. Us Americans have to have the biggest, shiniest, fastest, lightest, coolest toys on the block don't ya know. Ask KPaul, he will tell you.
 
#7 ·
I think all these comments point out why the GSX1400 is not in the USA catalogue...too many judge bikes on numbers and how it compares to a sports or cruiser bike.



I have ridden the GSX1400 (we have it in Australia). No need to rev the thing above 3000rpm in normal riding..the torque output is more than most large capacity v twins! It is not a sports bike, but an all round road bike not built for track days or dragging the knee slider around 200kph corners. It should last forever the way it is built.



As for heavy..it is the same weight as my 1978 GS1000 (see I am biased!)...it was a lightweight when it came out!
 
#12 ·
What ever happened to the CBR1100XX Blackbird -framed and -powered standard that was sold in the rest of the world? I want to say it was called the X11 or something similar... Used the same aluminum spar frame and the same, "not-retuned-for-better-torque" engine... Did it sell well overseas? Anyone know what I'm talking about? Am I just crazy?
 
#13 ·
You are right....

It was called the X-11, and it bombed. They took it off the market last year I think. It was hideously ugly, had a huge rad shroud that was designed to help inhibit wheelies, Honda's LBS system and just no soul. It was just...boring. At least, that's what I heard and saw in the Brit rags.

I mean, why in God's name would you put LBS on this bike?

--Foxy
 
#14 ·
More from Dr X. (Phd in GenXology)

Shorthop! I am so glad you now understand my thesis. Seriously, I have never seen a GSX1400. If it looks like the Japaneser UJMs of yore than I would agree with you it would not sell. Naked or partially naked bikes I contend are the new cruisers i.e. when Gen Xers get older and want to rest their arms they will turn to bikes like the Monster, new Kawa, SV1000 and Honda 919 etc. Cruisers like the majority of the HD line will become museum artifacts (in baby boomer exhibits). If you slap that 1400 cc in a Monster like frame than you might have something. I think HD next bike should be a Monster like V-Rod. For To Gen Xers retro is in as long as it is psuedo retro like the VW Bug. Totally Retro like most HD bikes is not in
 
#15 ·
I've wondered that myself, I've been checking this one out on the Brit. and euro-trash web sites for a few years, looks to me like it would compete well with the ZRX1200, and not be overwhelmed by the newer big-bore nekkid's.The 100 hp is to comply with european HP resrtictions, I'm sure. Suzuki or Holeshot should be able to scrape up another 15-20 HP without too much trouble, and from all I've read this is a torque monster anyway, so peak HP isn't as much an issue as it would be with an RPM engine like the FZ, 500lbs is within the acceptable range, for this size and type, and with the overall lay out of the bar/seat/pegs it should be a great 2-up all rounder, at least on par with the Bandit if not better, plus the blue and white paint looks better. unless they price it through the roof it should sell pretty well here, a look at Bandit sales should show that there's a pretty steady market for this type of bike, With the Bandit placed as a more sporty type, and the GSX1400 as a true standard they should get some good numbers, I'd put it on my short list, when I wear out my Bandito
 
#16 ·
Way off the subject here gang! BOYCOTT bringing a motorcycle to Japan! The Japanese have imposed a new ruling for imported motorcycles - even Japanese brands. The ruling requires the owner of any import produced after 1 April 2001 to take the bike to Osaka or Tokyo for a fuel homologation test and a brake test. The bike may not be ridden until the "tests" are performed. The cost of the tests alone is a thousand dollars. By the time you pay for shipping and the "middleman" to "take care of paperwork", you will be nearly two thousand dollars lighter. That is if your bike passes the "tests". The fuel homologation test is a joke, especially for a fuel injected machine. I live in northern Japan and own two bikes. My '96 is fully legal. My 2001, produced in MAY '01, still isn't legal. It is typical of the Japanese. They won't tell you that you can't take your scoot over here, they'll just make it so restrictive that you won't! I wish we could f*ck the Japanese at their own game and place the same restrictions on all of their Hondas, Toyotas, etc. that grace our American roads. Sorry to take up precious space here, but just wanted to get this out. Boycott Japan! P.S. the GSX1400 is quite the beefy ride, I was looking at one at a local dealer here in Japan. If I can con them into a test ride I'll let you know!
 
#17 ·
Actually, I think it MAY be a marketing decision regarding the sharing of products between Kawasaki and Suzuki and the desire to maintain margin. While I have no proof of this, consider the prospect. The big Suzuki would compete with both the relatively good selling Blandit(s) and the ZRX 1200 and to a lesser extent the Z1000. By comparison, the ZRX was initially a strong seller but dealers seem to be cutting deals to move 'em so I don't know if the retro thing has run it's course. Not to mention the SV 1000. That is a lot of platforms from what could be considered one maker in what is at this point a smaller subset of the market.



If a bike like the Suzuki 1400 is your thing, go visit your local Kawasaki dealer. For what it is worth, the ZRX 1200 is a great bike. Love the torque, the HP is enough but the bike is a bit heavy. In order to get this consumer to get out the checkbook to replace the ZRX I am looking for a similar riding position, at least as much power and about a 100 pound weight loss. For the street I'll insist on moderate ergonomics. The Aprillia Tuono (and new Z 1000) could be close so maybe that is the future trend of this market segment.



Even without the big Suzuki being available in USA showrooms, this is a great time to be a motorcycle enthusiast.
 
#18 ·
Great bike, but we will never see it. Why? Two huge reasons:



1) Zephyr 1100. Retro style I4 with a big engine. Didn't sell; Suzuki, like Honda with the Hawk, isn't about to make the same mistake twice.



2) ZRX 1200--Kawazuki sure isn't going to compete against itself in the same, limited market segment. Witness the B-King styled Z1000--I doubt we'll see a B-King from Suzuki now and I really doubt that Suzuki will bring in a bike to compete directly with ZRX sales.







 
#21 ·
Simple. It ain't that fast. If Chevy sold a 454 Chevelle today, it would take a discount down to $12K to get any of them to move. We expect lots of performance and lots of everything else. That's why the ZRX1200 is such a success - it looks retro, but works quasi-modern.



The GSX1400 has the looks, but not the performance. Sure it is faster than any '80's big lug, but that ain't fast enough. 1/4 mile needs to be less than 11 seconds or it will not sell.



I'm no 18 year old squid (more like 35 year old semi-racer engineer), and I am not interested in big bore bikes with 100hp. For me to want a big retro, it should be super confy, beautiful, smooth and docile around town and ungodly fast if I twist the grip all the way. GSX fails the last one and is thusly a noncontender.



That's why it will not come to the USA. They'll need to build one based on a Busa motor. Then they'll need to build another factory to meet the demand.



 
#22 ·
I live in Tokyo. I owned a GSX1400 for a week. Tons of torque, almost too much as it was like a rollercoaster ride in the twisties. Decent fully adjustable suspension and great handling for a standard. Fuel injection was spot on. Huge storage space under the seat. All in all a great ride. But my herniated disk in my upper back couldn't take the wind blast at highway speeds so I sold it.



 
#23 ·
Dude, I don't know what happened in your case, but here in Tokyo, several of my friends have bought new re-imported 2002 model year Japanese bikes recently and didn't go through any of the crap you're talking about. The dealers here are supposed to do all that crap for you before they sell it to you.

 
#24 ·
In the vain defense of LBS...

Uh maybe because LBS works.

The only people who trash LBS are moto-journalists and people who have either very little or no experience at all riding LBS equipped bikes. The reason: LBS feels different. It does. If you have very highly refined braking skills, learned and practiced on supersport equipment on a race track, then it sucks to re-learn everything and cozy up to LBS.

Likewise, if you have no experience at all, but just regurgitate everything you read in magazines, it's hard to understand why LBS can be a good thing.

First of all, LBS (in the Honda iterations) works quite well once you understand what it's supposed to do. It's not a safety device, or training wheels for incompetent riders. It is a means of getting predictable performance out of a low cost combination of powerful brakes and inexpensive non-adjustable suspension components.

The problem with fast heavy bikes is that you have to have some powerful way to stop them. So you need big old discs out front. Great. But the problem with powerful brakes is that you really should tune the suspension for the kind of braking being done. Therin lies the problem. First of all, on a street bike, it would be very difficult to tune a suspension for all street situations. Second of all, there's maybe .2% of the motorcycling population that can even tell you the difference between compression damping and preload. So just putting trick adjustable suspension components doesn't give a bike good braking performance. LBS does because it works like an anti-dive device.

Don't believe all the silly crap you hear. LBS bikes can be ridden aggressively. They can be trail-braked into corners. They give very good performance at a very low price point.
 
#26 ·
Oh yes, magazine performance figures. The clueless squidly idiots miss the fact that with a high revving low torque engine (that is, one with a high cost/performance ratio) it is far more difficult to get good consistent launches and said launches are much harder on the bike's longevity than a motor that gives up a few horsepower for torque. Plus those magazine times are gotten by professional riders who have done thousands of launches and are abusing a bike that they never had to pay for themselves. Peewee Gleason may get a 10 second 1/4 mile out of a CBR600, but no more than a handful of riders will come near breaking 11 sec (or even 12 sec).



In the real world (a sacreligious term) the better torque engine will give 90% of riders better performance because of the ease of launches and the much more forgiving nature of the torquey engine. In reality they will be faster on such a bike. But don't tell them that. It ruins the "look at me on the hottest iron" game. (And they have the gall to call others posers?)



I think the 1400 would be a heck of a hoot to ride.



And about GenXers. Don't buy KPaul's BS. Loads of those kids want Harleys. My GenX nieces always wanted to bum rides on my 81 FXEF. They've never once wanted a ride on my GSX1100 or my KZ750 or my VF700C or my.....