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Re: My prediction

Wouldn't that be an interesting story? Harley makes an air-cooled, pushrod V-twin. Yamaha (and later Kawasaki, but LC) makes one as well and are cursed for copying H-D. Yamaha (and Honda, in the past) make V-4 cruisers that don't exactly set the world on fire. Harley then makes a V-4 cruiser, proving the idea can work.
 

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They HAVE been thinking about a V4 for along time. Rumors and spy photos of the Nova project have been around for years. The R&D for this took place in the mid '70's, about the same time Soichiro and the boys were developing the Interceptor and Sabres.

The differance is that Honda was making money and could afford to go out on a limb, AMF Harley couldn't. At that time V4's were the Next Big Thing and predictions of UJM fours fading away were pretty common
 

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Check the article again, HD was making money. Money AMF used to prop up the rest of its business.

HDs money problems came after the buy-out, with the excessive debt they had to aquired.

If I remember right (please correct me if not) HDwas in the red when AMF bought them, then went into the green afew years after the takeover.
 

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Re: The V-Four Harley You Never Saw, thankfully

Miserable commie s*****.

Like all those poor souls who had to polish the insides of CZ cases...

You know, I've seen that engine somewhere before...funny even back then, they went to Porsche, for the design.
 

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How many times will this story get replayed???



Yep Harley missed an opportunity to show they could design and build what had the potential to be a bike with a real motor. Perhaps they could not get Porsche or some other company to show them how, like they had to do with the V-Max wannabe, the world renowned Discovery channel special V-Rod. Good thing I guess since Yamaha came along with the real deal, yep you guessed it 20 yrs, and still kicking a$$ V-Max. Long live V-boost.
 

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Re: Well, yeah.

The artical is pretty specific about the timeline, my take is that when Tom York became CEO of AMF he changed the corporate focus away from recreation including HD, and shifted more towards industreal products, leaving Harley flapping in the breeze. That led to the situation that allowed Beals and his partners to buy HD off AMF, though with limited rescourses they had to choose between developing the Evo or the Nova.

When AMF bought Harley in '70 they were pretty far in the hole, AMF saved their bacon at that time. After the buyback in '81 Ronnie Raygun put the import tariff on the Japanese manufacturers giving Harley enough wiggle room to get back to profitability and they've been off and running ever since.
 

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Re: MO just ran a cool bike review...

You ride the Beemer enduro, right? How's that thing holding up?

I've got a line on an '80 GS. Has yours got 'zokes up front? This one does.

Just hope I don't get the cylinders stuck between some trees, up on Alamo Mt. Maybe some cylinder guards... 15 to zero in 1 second.
 

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That would be you. Hundreds of people race V-twins each weekend.

There is more racing than MotoGP. Did you know that? Apparently not.

You really are the stupidest person to ever post on MO.
 

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Pretty much how I remembered it going down. The weird thing is I was in a temporary job with AMF at the time. CADD systems and three dim mock-ups of their new automated bowling machines. Great job, we all new we where in trouble with the main company, so every friday afternoon we shut down work, went into the test lab (which had a half length alley) drank beer and bowled.

We billed it as product testing.
 

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Oh yes. Yamaha designed that engine completely in a vacuum without regard to any previous engine development by any non-Yamaha engine designer. Yup. The Japanese originated the V-4 OHC engine. Sure. Right.
 

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Re: Dummy of Dummies

I try to stay out of the Kpaul sh!t, but its time.

MO get a Ducati 999, or any Vtwin sportbike, even a Buell. Then get a modern I4 liter sportbike. Put Kpaul on the I4, Sean on the Duc, on any track Kpaul wants, and watch him soil his pants and cry to his mommy as Sean laps him over and over again. Then we can get volunteers from the MO army to take turns spanking him on the Vtwin.

Kpaul please don't speak of racetrack performance until you have actually raced.
 

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Good to read that story again!



It's an ugly bike by today's standards, but better looking than any Jap bike made back then - remember the Suzuki Madura? It still gives me nightmares.



The BSA group did the same thing in the '60s and made almost the same business decision as Harley except for the part where they uprated their existing models.



If you're going to ask what if? What if Norton had developed the Commando? Would we have had Kenny Dreer's Norton in 1980?
 

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The 1934 Matchless 34/B Silver Hawk 592cc ohc V4 comes to mind...
 

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The funniest thing about his post is that Yamaha's V-4 did not, as "common knowledge" would have you believe, originate in the V-Max. It started with the Venture, which was introduced two years earlier. The V-Max engine was a hot-rodded version of a touring engine, and not originally designed for what is is best known for doing.



 

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Wow! an american V-Max. So since it had 2 more cylinders and its a Harley does that mean it would leak twice as much oil, shake twice as hard and breakdown twice as much. I mean they (Harley) have a hard enough time keeping 2 cylinders firing....imagine the recalls and puns that could have been.



 
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