[55418]

Re: Three in a Row for Matt Hines

First!

Congrats, dude!

 

[39970]

Re: Three in a Row for Matt Hines

Congrats.

 

[bbtowns]

Re: Three in a Row for Matt Hines.

Don't you mean three in a row for Andrew Hines? Admittedly Matt did it too, but that was 5 years ago.

 

[56599]

It's a stacked deck for the V-Rod.. i.e. NOT FAIR

"A pushrod V-Twin engine can be 160 cubic inches while the inline 4-cylinder power plant in Brown's Suzuki can't be more than 92.

All of the Harleys and Buells have state-of-the-art fuel injection systems. Brown's crew has to work with four old-fashioned carburetors.

The V-Twin bikes can be equipped with two huge mailbox-sized air scoops. Steve Tartaglia, Brown's crew chief, said as he understands the rules, air scoops on a Pro Stock Motorcycle can only be used if they fit up and under the gas tank where they aren't visible. It's hard not to notice the ones used on a Harley V-Rod or a Buell."

read more at Spinning His Wheels

 

[longride]

Gotta love the drag racing crybabies. Here's the history of what all the crybabies said about the drag racing V-Rod:



Crybaby said: "They'll never qualify that thing!"

Then it qualified.



Crybaby said: "They'll never make a final with that thing!"

Then it made the finals.



Crybaby said: "They'll never win a race with that thing!"

Then it won a race.



Crybaby said: "That thing will never last a season!"

Then it won a championship.



Crybaby said: "No fair! The rules are stacked!"



The ONLY time the crybabies said anything about the rules is AFTER the championship was won. Now we hear the sweet sound of the whining and crying about the rules. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[56599]

The rules are stacked. That isn't an opinion that is fact. A 74% advantage in displacement. Plus Fuel injection. No wonder the AMA doesn't sanction it.

 

[Buzglyd]

The 2nd place Suzuki only finished 23 points behind so it appears they've got the formula pretty close.

 

[seruzawa]

It's amusing when they discover that for once the rules aren't stacked in their favor. Yeah. I laugh at the displacement nazis.



Setting racing categories by the amount of air the engine pumps is the only logical and fair way to do it.

 

[37826]

Huh? Can you elaborate for those of us who dont feel like going to howstuff works.com again?

 

[56599]

You beat me to it boru4761.. Excellent Point.

 

[56599]

boru4761, seruzawa is the same guy that says cruisers have better brakes than sport bikes.. Give us Facts and Data seruzawa. That doesn't mean quotes from Fred or MCN..

 

[seruzawa]

A multicyclinder engine spins faster than one with fewer cylinders. This is why a 750-4 makes more power then a 750 twin. It pumps more fuel mixture. You can calculate how much each engine type pumps and have engines that make similar power compete against each other. As a result you can have more competitors for each category. In drag racing then you get larger displacement twins competing against smaller multis, but each makes similar power. This evens the field quite nicely.

 

[56599]

Actually this is BS. if you read the article I linked you would read that even horsepower (the standard measurement ) is more for the V-Twins and Torque as well. Following you rules we would have 1740 cc V-Twins racing 1000cc In-line 4 bikes in WSB and AMA superbike. Fortunately the AMA only allows Harley BS in only Formula Extreme. You and I both know that the Drag racing thing is to draw harley good old boys to the track. They can't do it if the Suzuki's are allowed to race even with their production bikes i.e fuel injection Hyabusa for instance..

 

[56599]

Seruzawa you are just plain wrong.

"By design, he said, the engine in a Suzuki is much more efficient than a V-Twin, and would be able to smoke a Harley or Buell in every race had the NHRA said both had to be 92 cubic inches.

When a bigger engine is used, he said, it needs more air, hence the need for the big scoops on the side of the bike."" From Spinning his wheels

 

[longride]

Yeah, but the H-D won. The crying is so loud on drag racing sites you can hear it all the way from Seattle to San Diego. Just put your ear to the window.......

 

[56599]

Won't matter I'll race you on your Busa. i.e I'll give you a 100% plus displacement advantage.

 

[pushrod]

The biggest factor in drag racing (and powerboat racing, for that matter) is keeping the machine together. If you can't make the run with full power, you don't win. Avoiding fouls is also a biggy, but that is not a technical problem.



I haven't seen those guys run, but watching the top fuel bikes at the AMA Prostar a couple of years ago in Gainesville, hoo-whee!



The v-twins literally shook the ground! The 'Zooks won, because the 2 v-twin entries (and several of the 'Zooks) either red-lighted or broke.



Then there were the Puerto Ricans, with their drag Quads!

 

[Neal]

And on the dragstrip(thre topic of this thread),you'd lose. The 600 SHOULD win on a rroad race track......

 

[56599]

Thanks for making my point.

 

[Neal]

And lets not forget; when the NHRA perceived (last year) that the Vtwins had an unfair advantage they changed rules in midseason. Anyone who has been around dragracing(cars or bikes) for any length of time knows that NHRA has as a priority diversity in the classes and constantly changes rules. Bike prostock was dying when suzukis were dominating and the vtwins have brought a needed interest and breath of fresh air to the class. Thats what NHRA needed and they could care less what "experts" who have never been to a dragrace and likely never will think. If they perceive Vtwins are dominating to the point of hurting the classand a rule change is neede...believe me,theyll do it. In the late 60's and early 70's you wouldnt believe the shennanigans(mostly unsuccessful) pulled to keep Ford and Chevycompetitive with the Hemis in Prostock. While some thought it was unfair it elevated Prostock to one of the most supported classes on NHRA.