[Lincoln]

JUST PERPETUATES THE IMAGE OF LOUSY BRITISH ENGINEERING

how could they release the bike in that unfinished state?

 

[blip]

I didn't think the EFI was all that bad. I've ridden much worse systems: the early FI Buells were horrid, and the new Buells are as bad or worse than the TT.



I guess Triumph's long history holds them to a higher standard...

 

[crash13]

I own two triumph sprints, an ST and RS both have spot on injection. I have also ridden the TT with 3 different maps all of which are substandard in my opinion. Does anyone know what the separation implications of Sagem and Triumph will be on the other models that work so well?



crash

 

[dirtybmxr]

The standard to which they are being held to is that of their competition, which Buell is not. The FI on the TT needs to be at least as good as the Honda and Suzuki if they are going to pull any market share from them. A sport bike whose throttle can not be opened mid corner at a reasonable pace is completely useless.

 

[a929rrrider]

Kinda like a Harley you can only polish a turd so much, but it is still a turd. Go buy a Honda F4i if you want a clean bike with good fuel injection

 

[dickdastardly]

sod off, ya bloody wanker.....

 

[TitaniumCanoe]

Based on my experience, street bike fuel injection is not up to par with carbs yet. I have owned a couple of BMW's and a Honda CBR929 with FI. My most recent carb bike was a Yam R6 which was perfect.

 

[john]

not quite buddy, i give triumph much respect for trying to use FI on a 600 from the get go. FI is much harder to sort out on small displacements, which is why even the japanese have waited so long to do it. I think triumph will find out that just maps won't solve their problems, and that a cylinder head tweaking is in order.



Triumph does, however lose some respect from me for not getting on the ball quickly enough to do EVERYTHING they can to save themselves from the verbal assault they have recieved b/c of the FI problems.



I dont know what Sagem was, or was not doing to help, but every other bike they put it on has seemed to do well.

 

[7322]

Injection

Help! I own a 955i Daytona and just recently installed the high pipe, took it to the dealership and now the bike detonates badly (3k - 4k rpms) and lost low end power compared to prior new exhaust system. Does this sound normal? I need advice from someone whose 955 engine is running well.

 

[ollie]

Re: Early release?

Let's see... Q1-2001 ended on March 31st. Do you think profits and shareholders might've had anything to do with it? I'm not condemning, just enlightening on the way large companies usually work.

 

[1964]

I've got a 2000 Triumph Sprint ST, and the injection is perfect. Starts exactly the same way whether hot or cold, and has never given me a problem. In addition I get between 49 and 53 mpg all the time. It's a shame that Triumph couldn't have done as well on the TT600.

 

[DrEvil]

Re: JUST PERPETUATES THE IMAGE OF LOUSY BRITISH ENGINEERING

The British have been having electrical problems since the early 1900's. Its a good thing there country is small so they dont have far to walk when there products fail. p.s Lucas electronics, know as "the prince of darkness!!!"

 

[Joe_Momma]

you are right Brent

MAN, you are right Brent, Buell Says the FI was supposed to be correct with last years model X1, but I rode a friends bike and It had pull EXCEPT in the Midrange.... What's the deal with that? As much displacement as it has and as long as the stroke is, where is the midrange torque????

 

[HankMurphy]

If You Think Triumph Has Problems...

...just wait until the EPA or CARB mandate EFI for *all* motorcycles!

Along with some other posters, I have an 885cc Triumph (Tiger) and the EFI is fine. Other than that problem of keeping the front wheel on the pavement...

But the handwriting is on the wall. At the moment, 2-strokes are falling to smog restrictions, even off-road. Carburetors will be the next victim. At that point, the TT600 is going to look good, even in its current state. (Many TT600 riders are wondering what the fuss is about, anyway.)

However, this sounds like a problem with a French software company's responsiveness, not a basic flaw in the TT600. But I guess some people will always denigrate Triumphs...until they ride them.

 

[Patrick-of-the-Hills]

Re: JUST PERPETUATES THE IMAGE OF LOUSY BRITISH ENGINEERING

Q: Why do the English drink warm beer?

A: Because they have Lucas refrigerators!

 

[MoMo]

sell it

 

[richardr6]

Re: If You Think Triumph Has Problems...

Sounds like Triumph needs to change CARB supply companies. As much as we pay for these bikes off the showroom floor, and how poor that all hold in retail prices. They all need to have flawless Carbs

 

[Hager]

Actually, I did buy an F4I, but thanks for the advice.



For those who are making fun of Lucas electronics, here's some more fun for you. Sagem is partly run, organized, or owned by Lucas electronics. I'm not sure which, but they're part of it.



As far as the TT600, it's a great bike, just read the handling quotes. Having owned a 97 T595 Daytona, they'll have it fixed sooner or later. I bought the F4I because I didn't want to wait a year again before I could enjoy the bike.



I read in a review for the NEW 955i Daytona they were using Keihin Fuel Injection. It makes sense they'll be the new FI suppliers for Triumph

 

[Shaft]

You're just flat out ignorant. The jap bikes are the best, end of subject.

 

[Millencolin]

I don't see how anyone would want a triumph anyway (other than patriotism for the english 'chaps'). It doesn't seem to do anything better than the jap bikes. If you want a comfortable and very streetable 600 get the kawi, if you want a racebike, get the R6 or GSXR, if you want a compromise, get the F4. Even with perfect FI would the triumph honestly be as good as the japanese bikes? Personally I doubt it.

Don't get me wrong, i don't think the TT is too far behind, but it's not quite on the same level as the Japanese bikes is it? Hopefully in a few years (maybe as soon as next year?) they can really get it together. I would love to see some top-level equipment from somewhere besides Japan or Italy. It would be awesome if some american company started producing competitive sportbikes.