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Re: 955 Daytona has sagem FI!

I have a 955i Speed Triple that is damn near perfect. It is easily as good as any of my previous bikes that used carbs. I have experienced no problems with low speed throttle response.
 

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I am right there with you Grapelli. I have owned Honda's,Kawi's, and back to back Ducati's. I am currently ripping up the asphalt with my 955i speed triple. FI is near perfect and I love the triple for the exact reasons you list. I think it is a great alternative to a me too four.
 

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That will be a comfort the next time I fly anywhere in Europe. I have a couple of old radios at home that still use diodes. One even has the new fangled "frequency modulation" channel on it. I think Triumph was out of their league trying to compete in the 600 class period !! Kind of like Buell trying to compete in the sportbike class with a Harley engine. I have a fuel injected Suzuki and can't tell the difference between it and a carbureted older Suzuki I also have. I also have a dog and cat at home that are both fixed. What's the problem here ? Triumph should stick with three cylinder sport-tourers and get on with it.
 

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Do you think the new supplier will offer kits to up-grade bikes sold with the Sagem system? Would a whole new computer be needed or can different FI maps make the low-rpm response as good as the Japanese FI bikes? If they did sell up-grade kits, would they cost less than a Power Commander?



Just for the record; when you look at the big picture FI, even if it is not perfect, is better than carbs.
 

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Now that they've admitted the problem and announced the solution, will they fix all the 600's they've already sold? It would seem like the thing to do; keep current owners happy, attract new customers, spread good will, etcetera.
 

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Re: If You Think Triumph Has Problems...

Have you been reading, the article or the posts? Its fuel-injected, does not have CARBs.

CARB, is some California air quality board thing, that is making extreme requirements for vehicle emissions. (I suspect for all vehicles, but all I ever hear about it for motorcycles.)
 

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I commend Triumph for trying to put FI on their first 600. My ZX-12R is the first FI bike I've owned, and am delighted with not having to deal with carburettors. The hassle of keeping 4 carbs clean, in tune and in sync is something that I hate more than most motorcycle related things. The biggest attraction to me is the freedom from maintenance. If the EPA is happy too, great!



I am not concerned with throttle response problems because I haven't had the luxury of trying out every bike around to see what perfect carburettion feels like. Prior to my 12, I used to own a '98 Ducati 900ss which was so badly carburetted that the bike wouldn't even run cleanly under 3k rpm. There were aftermarket fixes, the best being new carbs for $1k, but I never bothered. Compared to that bike, the 12's throttle seems SUPER slick.



I think the only people who don't like FI are the one's blessed with perfectly carburetted machines.
 

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Speaking as a TT owner, I have to agree that Triumph obviously released this bike before it was ready. But they're a small company, and unlike all the Japanese makes they don't have some other business like cars, boat motors, or ships to subsidize their motorcycle development so I suspect that it was the bean counters at Triumph who insisted that they start selling some bikes NOW.



That said, I would also point out that the EFI performance on my TT is no worse than the EFI on the BMW K-bike I used to own. Can you say harsh on-off throttle response? And unlike the BMW, the Triumph's system can be reprogrammed in a matter of minutes and the reprogramming is free at Triumph dealers in the USA. Installed an aftermarket pipe? Rather than spend hundreds of additional dollars on rejetting and fine tuning I just go down to the Triumph dealer and have another map downloaded.



I hope that whatever company Triumph switches too they maintain this same level of serviceability.
 
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