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this bike is a great accomplishment for Triumph, considering it is their first 4 cylinder. But, after reading the review and the fact that they still have not fixed the glitch in the fuel injection, the japanese bikes will run all over it.



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How is the current company rich with

tradition? Didn't Bloor just buy the rights

to the name? What's left of the old Triumph?



No slag on Triumph - they make some nice

bikes - but it's a whole different company, no?



Just picking nits,



-- Michael
 

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i wouldn't buy it.... sorry, but drivability counts... and it looks like an F4 that's has too many cheeseburgers. i'll take an sv650s, thanks (in a few weeks actually). why doesn't someone try to compete with the sv (zr-7 doesn't count)... aprilia could put out a tasty little twin (or cagiva better start impoting the raptor (lavera's lynx as well))... triumph could put out a nice middleweight tripple.... along with a two year warranty and i'd be sold... as long as it doesn't look like scuba gear. big cohones yes, but triumph has to feel like they've got kicked right where it counts on this one.
 

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TT600 - Best 600 of 1996.

This Triumph has the modern look, and enough power to beat anything in it's class. And it's class is the 600cc class of 1996. Are they for real? 90hp, no torque, looks obviously stolen from the F4, and fuel injection done wrong. They just can't be serious about competing against bikes like the R6 and F4i.
 

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I was riding around in Arizona a couple of weeks back while on vacation and ran into a guy on a 2001 TT600. I asked him about the FI problem and he said it no longer existed. He had ridden the 2000 as well and said the FI was a nightmare but they'd apparently gotten it right this year. Either he got lucky with his bike or MO got unlucky with theirs.
 

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If you're talking about performance, SV650 competes mostly with things like Ducati Monster 600, and some smaller Japanese bikes (EX500 comes to mind). And that's generally considered lightweight, not middleweight. The Triumph is up against all the new 4 cylinder 600's and Ducati 748. That's one tough bunch of bikes.
 

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I have to say that the fuel injection glitches were fixed pretty easily with some fiddling at the dealership I worked at, and that the stumble wasn't really that bad to start out with anyway. But why should we pony up the $$$ when the big four make bikes that are fine out of the box?? It's sad since I had an absolute blast on my demo ride. The steering is so awsome!!! But the big four have noticably better equipment to choose from. And the TT600 just doesn't make me feel passionate like a European bike is supposed to. I guess it's a matter of taste, really. I hope they find some HP and some bodywork that looks attractive.
 

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Try this?



Take it to the dealership and have them fix the mapping. Relatively painless and free. I don't know if you've got a very bad dealer or I have a very good one but the dyno curve on the test machine is no where near like the one on mine (and it's a lowly 2000). Your dealer should fix it or be shot.



I properly broke mine in (a pain in the neck I'll admit) and completely stock it makes 95.6 horsepower on the dyno w/1100 miles. The only reason I know this is that I'd heard of these types of problems and paid $70 to be sure. There aren't any significant dips or valleys in the curve and the engine is noticeably smoother than either my friends' R6 or Gixxer w/similar miles.



During the break-in period the engine was often peaky and had a dead spot around 3500 rpm. That all settled out around 800 miles and now it's gone.



If it is just a bad dealer or implementation of injection tune, it's a shame as many people will be disuaded from an otherwise very competent machine.



Then again, maybe my friend Jay and I have the only good ones on the planet....NOT
 

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I'm glad Triumph decided to enter this class, it's too bad they didn't measure up to the rest of the 600s. I could get over the looks if it had the performance, but why buy a Triumph if there's nothing better or unique about it. I hope Triumph works to improve the machine, but maybe they should lower the price tag until they do.
 

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It would be interesting to know the thought process Triumph went through in deciding to build this bike. They had to know they were entering the most competitive segment in the world.



Some buyers will be willing to trade refinement and leading-edge performance for Brit panache (like Jaguar buyers). The Italians lead the big twins and BMW has its boxer niche, so other than the big 4, Triumph really doesn't have any competition from Euro manufacturers. It may sell better in England than the US, and that may be enough to keep the line alive. The real test will be how the TT stacks up in 5 or 6 years, after it has evolved a couple of generations. Bully to Triumph for taking on a tough fight.
 

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Sounds like you do have the most powerful and smoothest tt600 out there, I saw a tt with the mapping fixed (a 2000) and the dead spot was still noticable the torque was still low the horsepower rating was 88hp and that was after several attempts at fixing the problem. Well maybe they might be a bit closer to the competition in 5 or 6 years, well by then the compitition will be well beyond that. Nice try Triumph it is a pretty bike, of course to some riders thats what matters though.
 

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Maybe you guys should read the English reviews of the bike - for such a parochial group they pretty much universally slag it off. Consensus seems to be that the FI problems make it useless for the road and screw it in slower corners on the track. The 2001 changes have made the top end of the engine weaker and seem breathless while only slightly improving the bottom end.
Handling is meant to be with the class leaders though and the breaking excellent. Styling is very bland - out Hondas Honda.

BTW what's with this supposed 9R fueling glitch - it must be a US only problem as I've never seen it mentioned outside the US and my 2000 9R certainly doesn't have it. (Road or Track)
 

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'for such a parochial group'

From what I've read in mags here, they are biased against Triumph. The conclusion I've come to is that magazine reviews are pretty useless. A couple of hours on a bike, that hasn't been even run-in (or improperly run-in), by an individual who has little in common with an end user is no test of ownership.

Get a test ride and decide for yourself.

I test rode a Suzuki bandit, supposedly a fast and exciting bike and found it pretty dull compared to my 125 two stroke scooter (still bought one though).
 

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Yes and no...

when a company is liquidated due to insolvency as happened with the Meriden company, one of the assets that can be sold off (if it happens to be worth anything) is the right to use the name, the trademarks and any patents or other intangibles still in effect. So this asset transfer gives a very *legally* valid link to the old company. Not as tangible as if they were still being produced in the same factory, but a link nonetheless. They are just as much "Triumphs" as any clean-sheet model produced in a brand new factory is, however, there was clearly a very major degree of "reorganization" in between ;-)
 
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