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All bikes face the same problems on the road. I even wave to motorcycle cops. They usually wave back, if they see me. That makes this incident even worse, because we are ALL riders. I don't know if the officer was in a car or on a bike, but whatever gives motorcycles a bad name affects all of us. For better or worse, our behavior is on display every day we ride and it reflects on all bikes.
 

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Why not post the emails from the bikers who were pulled over to see what the complaints were. Do those of us who are innocent really mind helping the CHP apprehend what were certainly criminals and most likely also bike theives? Want to make that officer a little less tense when he pulls you over, turn your bike off, put you helmet on the tank hands on the helmet and stay on your bike. You can bet the chp is going to be much more suspicious of us for a while. THe officer is extremely lucky that he was not shot with his own gun while he was knocked out.

As for the police not having cause to stop sportbikers give me a break! 9 minutes out of 10 while I am riding I am breaking at least one section of the california vehicle code. Also when the description is a general " on a sport bike " the officers have every right to stop sportbikes and investigate. Lighten up folks.

 

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Re: Ninjas

You are soo right! And I have NEVER seen a chromed, lowered, stretched, GSX-R with one of the front rotors removed for "quicker acceleration".

Ok, now I'm generalizing, but that's how I feel about "pimped out" GSX-R's and those kinds of bikes in general.

Devil'sAdvocate (and GSX-R fan)
 

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I heard from a reliable source that these guys were allergic to polyester and had requested to be let go and proceed away from the area at a high rate of speed to avoid being contaminated. The officer failed to comply with the request. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 

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Well, now *there's* a bad idea if I've ever seen one. I'm not against law enforcement, and I'm certainly not against police officers (I'm related to two myself). But this kind of attitude is naive, shortsighted, an, um, well... to put it bluntly... just stupid.



Just because a group of people are flagrantly and dangerously disobeying the law on a certain street, you suggest that all people fitting a similiar discription (ie riding a motorcycle) should be banned from using that street?



Wow! Do you really believe that?



Think about any activity that you enjoy. It can be anything at all (hobbies, sports, your job, raising a family, partying)... anything that you enjoy doing. Now, aren't there other people out there who do that same (or similar) activity, but do it in such a way that they break the law, set a bad example, or have some other negative impact on the activity (and/or the perception of that activity) as a whole? Of course there are. It's just the way people are. But that doesn't mean that everyone should be banned from enjoying that activity... does it?



Man, I hope not.
 

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Well said. I'm sure that a good percentage of law enforcement officers are doing the best job they can, and function within the law.



Not to change the subject, but has anyone else ever wondered what motivates a cop to be a cop? It sure isn't the money! I think a goodly portion are former "bad guys" themselves -- with a smattering of power freaks in there too. A lot of "good guys" who go in get jaded by ealing with low lifes and change too, IMHO.
 

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You need to learn to read. You also should take some classes on the Constitution.



The article said that people on all bikes were being repeatedly harrassed. By your logic, every bike should be pulled every time it is seen on the road as we all know some motorcyclists are up to no good.



Your last point is stupid. I have needed the help of cops, and I truly admire the ones that do their jobs in good faith. However, stopping me for no reason is against the law, and I am tired of the attitude I am given simply because I choose to ride instead of drive.



Perhaps you feel that being pulled over for no reason is justified, I disagree. Why don't they just set up roadblocks at every intersection and stop all the bikes? That'll show everyone.
 

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Thanks for speaking for the rest of us. Pull us over. If we are on a bike we are breaking the law. I ride a bike just so I can get pulled.



If you are violating the law 9 out of 10 minutes, you are the problem. Anyone that advocates needless harrassment of bikers because "everyone on a bike breaks the law", is an idiot.



Sell your bike.
 

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Screw that!!! Close the only roadway to Elsinore to motorcycles??? Why not make cars illegal since people drive them drunk? Or make SUV's illegal because they rollover. Don't try to restrict my access because people crash motorcycles on that road. Look at a road map pal.. See how far you have to go around to get to Elsinore with out the Ortega highway?

I can't believe a motorcyclist thinks you should ban motorcycles from a highway. Look at any city intersection and you'll find a lot more broken glass from cars than plastic from motorcycles, and there's a lot more city intersections than curves on the Ortega highway...
 

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Re: Ninjas

No, they don't take off the front rotor for acceleration, it's so you can see how shiny that chromed rim is. It's very difficlut to shine a rim with massive rotors blocking access. Me personally, I'd rather be able to stop, but maybe I'm just crazy. And I always thought that chromed-out, extended swingarms were for people who couldn't do wheelies but still wanted to act like they were ruff riders. Call me crazy but, again, I'd rather be able to turn. Hmmm. Make it hard to turn and then reduce the braking performance... Darwin's theory proves itself again.
 

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That IS EXACTLY what I was going to say. There are some real power trippers in law enforcment. Oh, and don;t forget the geek in high school who was picked on and wants to get back at the world by becoming a cop, 'cause there's plety of them too.
 

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You know, it's real funny. Most people are so worried about having something taken away from them, that they don't see the BIG picture. About a year ago, I was up at Ortega, got there just about 5 minutes after a 19 year old kid on a Honda F3 introduced himself to the grill of a Produce delivery truck. His right leg layed about 50 yards from the rest of his body. A large portion of his upper body had been turned to jello and was being kept from spilling on the pavement by his AGV leather jacket. Ever seen what a AGV helmet looks like when it goes from 65 mph in one direction to -90 mph taking in consideration the other vehicle traveling in the opposite direction. He was a 4.0 GPA student at UC Irvine.

A week later, a gentleman I worked with was going up in the area to rider the mountain bike area off Ortega, He had 2 people who think it was they're right to use Ortega Highway as their personal property. They tail gated him, attemtped to get around him, honked and he thinks they even yelled at him to move over. He was doing the posted speed limit. Well the story goes, 100+ Horse power, great power to weight ratio, They decided to go around him, double yellow line with the double the fine zone sign posted right in the area they passed and the trailing rider decided to flip him off as he passed. Well, what goes around comes around, because the trailing rider was too busy sharing his opinion, he didn't see the Honda Civic, painted Bright yellow with Black graphics side swipe him. He high sided then got run over. Oh yeah, he lived.



Don't get me wrong, I don't think that closing the high way to bikes and wanna be race cars will change anything. Because, it'll just go somewhere else. But for those of us to enjoy things and places like this, maybe we should STEP UP and do a bit of our own Policing. I'd be more than willing to meet up with anyone who is willing to spend the day there to try to prevent one of these types of incidents from happening. Anyone who reads this, are you willing to step up and contact the local authorities, the county, the state or any of the powers to be to see if the Highway could be used for selected events. Anyone want to organize medical response, financing, insurance or outside sponsers. I'd be willing to do my part if anyone out there who is complaining about simply agreeing that maybe a radical answer of closing it to bikes etc, is willing to put there money and time where their mouth is, and do something to change and improve the situation not just complain. I've seen it done for bike races, street luge, down hill skate boarding, Remote control car races, Distance running events and even Base Jumping (sky diving from a fixed land based object) which it self was illegal.

Or maybe, some of you should take a day off, go up there, not with our bike, but a video camera and sit at all the cool knee dragging turns, or the short straights between them and watch and record all of the idiots. A good Saturday should fill up a couple of blank tapes. Maybe those who say, "A few bad apples..." will figure out that there is more than just a few, more like a few bushels...Yeah, there are those out there who do rider smart and responsible, but human nature is,,,I have 100+ horse power, rock solid aluminum frame, carbon fiber this, titanium that, Kevlar gloves, the coolest knee puck, and the most b-tchen Troy Lee paint job and I'm going to put it to use...



And for those of you who can't find time or money for track time...Crash up on Ortega and see how long emergency response time to you is.
 

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What an idiot...Was it you the CHP officer pulled over? I bet you're one of those, "It's everyone else's fault.." types. Better yet, I bet you're a lawyer. You sound like one of those late night ambulance chasing bottom 2% of your class lawyers. You probably thought O.J. was innocent...
 

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MO news rules all the way

A Yamaha Vino hop-up, with a wheelie picture.

A poll on Burt the Elephant

And the latest breaking news on some CHP extortionist

getting clobbered from behind by a helmet.

You've warmed my heart, MO.

Keep up the excellent work.

Get your donation transaction page working.
 

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A few bad apples...

SPOIL WHAT...

Ortega Highway is exactly that. A Highway. Not Ortega international raceway...It's posted at 45 and 50 MPH, with cautions to 25 mph. 200 miles, man that's not that much to ask for: race prepped riding area, over shoot areas, haybales, ON SCENE MEDICAL ASSISTANCE, No big drop offs, no rock face walls, falling rocks, bad shadows, surprize oil, gas or water spots or better yet, not another idiot coming head-on at you at 60+ mph with no where to go,,,

Come on...Like most So. Cal people, you go to the river or Havasu on the weekends to ski or Jet ski, you'd drive all over town to get the cheapest Corona beer,,,is a couple of extra hours and a bit of extra work worth being able to walk for the rest of your life, be there for your kid's wedding, or at the very least send that last alimony check with a kiss my a-- note attached...



 
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