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Not done yet, right?

The main page looks great. Now about the "forums":

Can I assume a "nested" viewing option is in the works, so I can see all of the comments, with the replies to each comment indented underneath them, all on one page? Because if "easier navigation" is one of the features, I'm thinking that making me click to advance to the next page isn't really "easier", nor is trying to figure out what comment another comment is referring to. More like "time-consuming pain-in-the-ass enough to make it not worth it." Even cooler would be an option to get rid of all the space-wasting crap like avatars. In other words, just like the old version.

Of course, I'm just looking it over now, so maybe I'm just not seeing it, and it isn't as subscription-lapsing horrible as it seems.
 

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I was wondering where you've been...
If the "forums" stay like this, or if I can't figure out how to make it less aggravating to use, you'll be seeing less and less of me until my sub runs out. Shooting the breeze with you guys was half the appeal of this site (more than half, actually), so if the forums remain unusable to me, that makes my subscription effectively 24 bucks, which is more than subbing to Motorcyclist and Cycle World combined. Not worth it at that point.
 

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Ah, I see it's free now. Never mind.

I guess my opinion means even less, then.

BTW, it's taken me as much time to read seven messages as it would have to read an entire thread before. Used to be "read, read, read, read, scroll a little, read, read, read..." Now it's "click, read, scroll-and-good-luck-finding-your-spot, click, read, scroll-and-good-luck-finding-your-spot..." I really, really hope there's something I'm missing here. Is there a way to make that box full o' threads up there show the whole message instead of just the title?
 

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There is iron in your words, Cheesebeast. And nougaty wisdom.
 

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Well, Mr. Carpetbagger, where I come from we've got something called the Missoura Boat Ride...

BTW, I see numbnuts already has his own separate threads - and one of them is rated five stars.
 

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And, yes, the forums suck too. Maybe even more than the new look.
Absolutely. I have no idea what's going on in 90% of this thread, because I just don't have the time to click every post or try to figure out who's saying what to who in linear mode.

MO's forums are now like most Internet forum designs - unnecessarily atomizing. Everyone ends up on little islands. And like most everything in the computer world, the software engineers simply do not appreciate the virtue of simplicity, and add layer after unnecessary layer. It's exactly what I feared the redesign would be.

I'm really hoping that the problem is my own ignorance, but so far no one's told me how to "fix" it, so...
 

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You boys sure do look civilized!
 

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Stay tuned, cuz it's gonna get even better!
That's good news. Drop me an e-mail or make a big announcement on the home page when the forums become usable without incurring carpal tunnel syndrome, and I'll be back.

Until then, I've got to move MO News from the "Relief from Life's Little Goddamn Aggravations" list to the "Another One of Life's Goddamn Little Aggravations" list.
 

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Finally, ditch the Vote for MO Babe crap. Grow up or lose the 1/3 of the riding population that happens to be female.
Actually, it's 1/10th. And of that, I'm sure even less are inclined to hang out on Internet forums. If 1/20th of MO users are female, I'd be surprised. And if they want to scold the boys about looking at pretty girls ... well, they've got husbands, boyfriends, sons, bosses and co-workers to hector. They don't need to do it here, too.

That said, I suspect the feature will die a natural death from lack of interest.
 

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Schizuk, just go to display modes and click to show the threaded mode. Then you can see who replied to you.
OK, tried that. I'm still only getting one comment on the page, and the box o'threads is still just showing the titles, not the whole comment. What I'm aiming for is to have all comments shown, in their entirety, nested, so I don't have to click on anything - just scroll down the page as I read. What am I doing wrong?

C,mon, this stuff is a lot like electronic ignitions, disk brakes, and fuel injection. We gotta take you kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
Well, right now it's more like a new bike that cuts out the ignition every time it's stopped for more than three seconds, so you have to re-start it at every red light. So please, tell me how to bypass that 21st-century feature.
 

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Try:
Hit User CP button.

You will see the Control Panel on the left hand side.

Hit Edit Options.

Scroll down to Thread Display Options.

Change Thread Display Mode to "Threaded"

Scroll down to bottom and hit "Save Changes"
Did that already. Still not nested in full (see my reply to longride).

It still takes a good bit of getting used to.
So does cerebral palsy. That doesn't make it right.
 

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Krebs, send me your address so I can send you a fruit basket and bundt cake. I can't thank you enough for putting into words far better than I have the enormity of the suckitude of this forum design.

I'm actually depressed about this. MO was my favorite place to hang out and chew the fat online. It's been fun hangin' with you bastards, but now it's just too much goddamn work. I'll miss this place.

I'll keep an eye out for the premium-only keep-out-the-riff-raff forums and maybe pop in and say hi occasionally.

(Note to MO - this format is fine for brief info-only communication where radical thread segregation can be an organizational benefit. For the extensive, shoot-the-breeze style of MO News discussions, it's like having a dinner party with every guest in a separate room.)
 

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BrowningBAR sez...

In a closed thread somewhere else in this forum chaos, BrowningBAR said:

"You need to start using your Quick Links button. Click on Quick Links and then go to Today's Posts. It will take you to a list of the most recent posts as they happen throughout the day. This allows you to see who posted what and when. Once you select a post it will take you to that portion of the thread with minimal clicking and thread scrolling. I keep my forum setting to Hybrid so I know where I am at on the forum."

And you consider this as simple as the previous system which required no "quick links" buttons or extra clicking at all? Sorry, but you're going to run out of lipstick long before you cover this pig.

"It is completely different than the last forum and the community structure will change."

There will be no community. Just lots of people posting their own thoughts but not interacting with others because it's not worth the trouble to click through all of the posts. Just people talking past each other. I repeat, I don't know what's going on with 90% of this thread, because it's not worth the goddamn work to read them.

"But I think as we all adapt the communication will be just as biting and sarcastically dry as before."

We got to know each other before. It will be nearly impossible to do that now. No inside jokes, no ongoing funny discussions... ain't gonna happen. These forums will be dull as dishwater.

It's been five days. Is there an entertaining news thread going on somewhere? On the old site, we were all in the same place (the top three threads of the news, which required a whopping three clicks to read EVERYTHING). I got a laugh every day. Can't say the same for this week. You?
 

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But to make a weak analogy: The R1 may be one of the most fun, advanced and feature filled sportbikes on the planet but a seven year old Road King is still my ride of choice for most riding situations and conditions.
To make another analogy: what if Honda came out with an awesome new class-leading, cutting-edge-styled 600cc sportbike that you started by tickling the carbs, setting the magneto, advancing the ignition, kicking a lever several times, and adjusting the proper air-fuel mixture? Hey, it's just a few extra steps, right? You'll get used to it!
 

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Hey, I love old bikes. I'm not slagging old bikes. I'm slagging new forums with Marquis de Sade interfaces.
 
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