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SlowBear,



First off, we only had the bike for five days... as long as any other US mag will have one for a while -- until Yamaha gets more press unit in. So, a week on the bike? That'll have to wait a week or four until we can get one for that long. We do the best with what we're given.



As for the FJR being ridden by one editor only on an afternoon ride, that's not the case. We did well over 1000 miles with the bike in the few days we had it. That's not a whole lot to me considering I've done 1000-mile-days, but we certainly got a good feel for what's going on. And not only did I ride the bike, John Burns rode it, Calvin Kim rode it, Peter Jones rode it, even my dad rode it (he's a 58-year-old ST1100 pilot who's ridden about everything everywhere, and very fast).



The artice uses uses one ride to play from, using various parts to illustrate the way the bike works. Most people seem to think we accomplished that goal. For you, I am sorry you were left unfilfilled. Rest assured we'll do more with the bike when we have the ability to do so.



As for a few of your other questions:

198 miles until the reserve light came on. I put 5.8 gallons in it to fill it to the brim. That was after 70-80 mph highway cruising, several drag strip runs, some twisties and some city traffic.



The seat feels fine after a tank, two tanks. Never did three consecutive.



Only a slight bit of heat was felt off the left side in 80-degree weather in stop-and-go traffic. Not particularly more or less than any other bike in recent memory.



In the cold? It was only about 50-60 on the coldest night ride. And as the article states, there's good wind protection. In leathers or an Aerostich, riders were comfortable.



Other:

Never had a passenger on back.

With the bags full of what? Wine? what kinds of clothes? Leathers? Bubble wrap? As the article mentioned, even with the pre-load on Hard, things were still kinda soft.

The bags take full-face helmets easily. I'd imagine they "take a large load" better than my girlfriend.

Secure when full? They didn't fall off with a 12-pack of Pacifico in them, though nobody tried to steal them if that's what you mean.

And lastly, I don't usually ride around with a tent pole unless I gave a girl on back... if you know what I mean.



I Hope that answered some of your questions. If not, feel free to e-mail me.
 

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OK, I have an off-topic post...

Please bear with me, as it is only 5 a.m. here in Denver. My new Cycle World arrived yesterday with an article by new contributing editor, John Burns. Is that a sideline in addition to his full-time duties here? Tell me he didn't fly the coop already...
 

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Which BMW are you talking about? The R1150R without ABS costs nearly $1,600 less than the FJR. The K1200LT could cost as much as $10,000 more than the FJR while the F650GS costs $3,000 less. The RT costs more but doesn't have problems with a surging motor. The F650GS did have surging problems when it came out. Although, according to current F650GS owners that I know, that problem has been fixed. All stock BMW's have less horsepower and torque than the FJR, so not everything you said was wrong.



The point to my post was that I couldn't have a test drive, not that the FJR was a bad bike. I wouldn't know if I liked it or not because I'm not paying $11,600 for the privledge of a "test drive."



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BS, BS, and more BMW owner BS.



Experienced rider speaking here....



BMW's boxer configuration is junk - it's completely outdated and way overrated.



Just try getting an autograph from one of those countless Beemer racers (Funny? there's plenty of auto racers?). Even if the motor could produce enough HP, the design simply doesn't allow good, make that average handling.



The boxer config sucks.



It produces way too much gyroscopic effect.



Now, go ahead tell us what a Beemer feels like when you drive it into a corner at a mind blowin' 3000 revs.



That's right you can't because it can't. Now try 5000 or 6000 - JOKE.



With the pistons hanging half a mile away from the CG and pumping like hell, ya need a 5' crowbar to make it turn along the axis of rotation (like in a turn). And once your in a turn, try and get it back up. Those pistons have ya right where they want ya, they're not going anywhere.





From anything but a straight line rider's perspective, BMW's boxer sucks. Plain and simple.



Food for thought.



If you took that motor and stuck it into anything made in Japan, the press and the working public would crucify it.



But alas, we live in a world of exclusive European lables and after all it is German.



It's also expensive, so it must be good.



Not this time.

Not this motor.





 

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Re: OK, I have an off-topic post...

Naw, I believe that in one of his rantings, er....articles, JB said he was going to contribute to CW to supplement his income. I'll have to purchase that issue of CW though now that I know about it.

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Per MCN BMW is getting ready to join Moto GP with an inline 3. If they can get the weight down and the power up they may have a shot at mid pack. Well I dont think anything is going to touch the Honda's this year. But suspension wise they may be able to surprise. So soon they may have a full sport bike in their line.

Funny how MO's review of the R1150R doesnt mention any of your concerns about the boxer motor. Personally though I do find it funny the few R1100S's Ive seen on the track with the ground down head covers. The main thing I dont like about them, the lack of ground clearance. But the R1100S is a mighty fine handling machine. You sound a tad bit bitter, did you have someone on a GS go around you on the outside of your favorite turn?
 

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Every oil head I have ridden has surged. I haven't ridden the latest R1150RT, but in the last issue of Motorcyclist they have and even they complained about how badly it surged! Look it up if you don't believe me. The R1150r is most probably the best BMW made, and it just begs the question why the others (boxers) which are essentially the same bike cost so much more. The fact that you even mention the F650 (a single cylinder 40hp bike) relative to the Yamaha FJR1300 really suggests that you are blinded by the pretty BMW badge.
 

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Hey Wayne, you got it all correct except for the bit about the Yam's bags "exceeding" the ST1300's.



The Yam's bags are 30 liters and the ST's are 35 liters. The Honda's top case is 45 liters and it holds two helmets and the Yam's won't.



Then there's Yamaha's bit about not allowing their's or anyone else's top case to be used in cunjunction with the side bags....
 

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Jodiesel,



Pretty much zero audible exhaust. Just a nice turbine-esque sound coming from below the tank when you roll the throttle open.



We're already planning on some serious sport-touring comparos. Maybe break it up into SPORT-touring, and sport-TOURING???
 

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I believe that they said it surged. I have ridden the R1150RT. I did not notice a surging problem. Of course I only ride 12,000 to 15,000 miles per year, about half of which is city driving. So I might not know what I'm talking about. I did not notice a surging problem with that bike. I only spent about a half an hour on it though. I have noticed repeatedly that Motorcyclist and CW have their favorite brand of bikes. BMW is not one of them. I submit that they don't usually do a fair review of this brand.



In their Eurotrash article they ran an Ductati ST4s, Futura, and a Triumph (all twins) against a K bike. The K-bike of course washed out. A more fair comparison would have been against an R bike. The K-bike should have been compared with a Goldwing that would be fair. But I don't think that they were interested in a fair comparison for some reason.



I think that the FJR will be a very good bike. I would even consider buying it. I want to drive it beforehand as I don't always believe everything I read. That was the point of my original post.



As for a pretty badge, it comes with a 36mo, 36,000 mi warranty and with proper care will last 200,000mi. How about yours?



Take care and have fun,

Dave
 

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I appreciate the clarification, Minime. Had it not been for the brain fog I was experiencing this morning, I eventually might have figured it out for myself. It would appear that JB's former coworkers over at Motorcyclist are all convalescing from a variety of injuries suffered in the line of duty.
 

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Minime,



First, I apologize for the tone of my post. I was a bit frustrated by the first post disappearing.



Second, thanks for the info, it is very useful.



Third, to those who wrote to support my post, thank you.



Fourth, I guess the real point of my post was that this article should have been labeled more accurately. As a first impression/ quick ride/ whatever-you-want-to-call-it, it was fine; as a road test it was pretty weak. If I want deceptive, manufacturer's ass kissing "How many times will you feature my product" crap I have at least two sources in US print magazines, everybody wave to Mitch and Dave. OTOH, MO is generally a bit more honest.



Finally, to the poster above with all the info on the FJR, thanks for the great information. My point in the post was that MO should provide that information in a road test of a touring bike. Also, I take what I find on boards and marque club web sites the same way I take statements made in an alcohol fueled bench racing session or the dry weight claimed by a manufacturer, with a very large grain of salt. In my experience "facts" on the internet are more often false or at least somewhat "filtered" than the plain, unvarnished truth.



A slightly less grumpy bear,



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I never heard anyone complain about the handling of the Gold Wing, which has used this engine configuration with more cylinders since its inception.



The Valkyrie also handled decently.



You're also neglecting the big BMW, I think it was the K1? was a "sportbike" with a flat 5 or 6 cylinder engine, 1000cc's I believe? I am off to the encyclopedia to look for more...



--The Fox





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Amen. MCN is gonna do one with the FJR, ZZR, K1200RS and a Blackckbird in there mag. Somehow, an ST1300 (or an RT, for that matter) just doesn,t seem to fit into that bunch. I guess THE comparo IS inevitable sometime or other, but most conclusions are fairly obvious. The MCN ST1300 article kind of did a comparo to the 1100 and came across very interesting.

I suggest a continuation of the "day dream" comparo getting to Push Mountain Road(AR341) in Arkansas....to see Grandma or the "old country". Everybody gets butt burn and other irritations during a 600 mile day. How well did the Tylenol work the last 200 miles? That is a function of self and bike. All bikes need a GPS mounted just to confront the hassle and success quotient of that particular ride. All bikes require full panniers and tank bags in the twisties. (Sport tourers gather no moss.) All bikes should have an additional $300 dollar limit to confront the standard shortcomings of the particular ride. NO $1000 shocks and no custom seats...Paaleese. Suggestions from various forums would be a groove.

Wayne for the real live ones I know..in Texas
 

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SlowBear,



... and I thank you for your response to my post.



We'll make it a point to more accurately label our reviews seeing as a few people thought along the same lines you did, as in "Where's the meat?" As a first ride, however, I think it's better than anything you're likely to find. Not to mention that we strive to be extremely honest as you mentioned (no advertiser bias whatsoever) and the people who rode the bike and contributed to this write-up are more experienced and more knowledgeable than any other web-site out there, period, and a hell of a lot better than most print mags.



If you have anything further, as I offered, feel free to e-mail me.
 
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