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OK, where's the new 2 liter 4 four v-max? C'mon
yamaha, I've been waiting for the next V-max
for years now, let's get with it!
yamaha, I've been waiting for the next V-max
for years now, let's get with it!
Yamaha Officially Releases a Bulldog
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BTW, first post.....
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WOW! I really like the styling, and if they'd add 20 more horsepower, I'd definitely buy one! We need MORE bikes like this in the U.S!!! (are any manufacturers listening?)
I didn't see any posts, and instead of posting quickly, I hit "Refresh" 'coz I thought the board stopped loading before the posts came up. Dumb me!
Anyway:
This bike reminds me very much of a Buell. It's a sportbike made from a cruiser engine. On the other hand, its Japanese cruiser origins and shaft drive remind me of the Suzuki VX800, which was not very popular in America despite being a very strong bike. However, Yamaha's shaft-drive bikes were notorious for being Not Quite So Smooth As Suzuki's in much the same way as Sir Robin was Not Quite So Brave As Lancelot. But more that two decades of selling Viragos and now V-Stars with similar drivetrains should have sorted that out...
In any case, I'd rather have this than a FZ-1.
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This bike reminds me very much of a Buell. It's a sportbike made from a cruiser engine. On the other hand, its Japanese cruiser origins and shaft drive remind me of the Suzuki VX800, which was not very popular in America despite being a very strong bike. However, Yamaha's shaft-drive bikes were notorious for being Not Quite So Smooth As Suzuki's in much the same way as Sir Robin was Not Quite So Brave As Lancelot. But more that two decades of selling Viragos and now V-Stars with similar drivetrains should have sorted that out...
In any case, I'd rather have this than a FZ-1.
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hmm, looks a lot like a Buell to me. but for once, I think a Buell would smoke it 
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Ack...Cool looking, but 65 HP..? Doesn't the SV650 turn out like 67..?? Go to www.yme.com to look at the full Euro site. Take a peek at the TT600R!
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"A European concept"
My ass. This is a total Buell rip off. Even if it is superior in every regard, Buell did it first.
...besides, plagiarizing and improving American products is a Japanese concept!
My ass. This is a total Buell rip off. Even if it is superior in every regard, Buell did it first.
...besides, plagiarizing and improving American products is a Japanese concept!
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For more detail shots see http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=212131&=63976
I love the clocks - loads of information but very stylish too.
I won't be buying one though - my Cagiva Raptor would eat it for breakfast!
Having said that, it will be easier to maintain than the Raptor, and should be a more relaxed ride. It will also almost certainly cope better two-up (the Raptor has very limited pillion provision).
I love the clocks - loads of information but very stylish too.
I won't be buying one though - my Cagiva Raptor would eat it for breakfast!
Having said that, it will be easier to maintain than the Raptor, and should be a more relaxed ride. It will also almost certainly cope better two-up (the Raptor has very limited pillion provision).
Looks like a very nice bike - though I think it'd better come with VMax engine . Might be a good competitor to SV/Raptor if lower on a price scale, since I don't imagine myself buying a monster-styled bike with no monster-skills.. But again, I'm a sportbike rider, and my opinion on power doesn't count when all people want is a nice stable tourer which happens to look like a good monster bike.
And yes, I live much closer to Europe than to US, so I don't know about Buells, but as I said - Bulldog's not ment to be sportbike..
. Might be a good competitor to SV/Raptor if lower on a price scale, since I don't imagine myself buying a monster-styled bike with no monster-skills.. But again, I'm a sportbike rider, and my opinion on power doesn't count when all people want is a nice stable tourer which happens to look like a good monster bike.And yes, I live much closer to Europe than to US, so I don't know about Buells, but as I said - Bulldog's not ment to be sportbike..
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Styling
If you like the styling, you can thank the following:
[*]BMW - they loaned the tank from an R1150
[*]Ducati - they provided the rear fender and dual exhaust from a Monster
[*]Buell - they designed the frame
[*]Honda - they provided a Shadow 1100 motor and transmission (but were too cheap to kick in the liquid cooling)
If you like the styling, you can thank the following:
[*]BMW - they loaned the tank from an R1150
[*]Ducati - they provided the rear fender and dual exhaust from a Monster
[*]Buell - they designed the frame
[*]Honda - they provided a Shadow 1100 motor and transmission (but were too cheap to kick in the liquid cooling)
Re: Hey PPlassm! Yamaha released the Kawasaki you wanted!
Forget everything you know! (Score: 1)
by pplassm on Thursday, May 31 @ 07:39:11 PDT
(from "MO Readers Speak Out" http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=871&mode=&order=0&thold=1 )
"Forget the updated sport tourer, faster, lighter, cookie-cutter sportbike, and more cruisers! Give us something new, something really exciting!
"How about a decent single or twin streetbike that's not a tiny beginner's scoot, has enough poont to keep with with traffic, and looks interesting? How about some dirt-track styling? How about anything that's just going to blow my socks off? I want a bike that's light enough and powerful enough to put me in jeaopardy of losing my license at every stoplight. This doesn't mean it has to go 150 MPH. It should have a standard seating position with lots of legroom. It should be minimalist, squirty, and loads of fun to ride..."
So, PeteP, how 'bout this (with flames on the tank, of course...)?
Forget everything you know! (Score: 1)
by pplassm on Thursday, May 31 @ 07:39:11 PDT
(from "MO Readers Speak Out" http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=871&mode=&order=0&thold=1 )
"Forget the updated sport tourer, faster, lighter, cookie-cutter sportbike, and more cruisers! Give us something new, something really exciting!
"How about a decent single or twin streetbike that's not a tiny beginner's scoot, has enough poont to keep with with traffic, and looks interesting? How about some dirt-track styling? How about anything that's just going to blow my socks off? I want a bike that's light enough and powerful enough to put me in jeaopardy of losing my license at every stoplight. This doesn't mean it has to go 150 MPH. It should have a standard seating position with lots of legroom. It should be minimalist, squirty, and loads of fun to ride..."
So, PeteP, how 'bout this (with flames on the tank, of course...)?
Re: Yamaha Officially Releases a Buelldog
FYI: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/97m2.html
http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/99cyclone.html
FYI: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/97m2.html
http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/99cyclone.html
For those who thinks Buell did it first, you don't know anything... Yamaha built XV920R / TR1 which was a similar concept as Bulldog way back in early 80's, when HD was about to go out of business and who knows where Buell was.
anyway, I like this bike but would prefer MT-01.
anyway, I like this bike but would prefer MT-01.
Immediately I agree with everyone regarding the "where's the horsepower" complaints ('specially from an 1100) however, allow me to make an observation.
I think we're seeing a new kind of cruiser appearing on the scene. An intermediate bike between the raked out hog and the streetfighters/monsters. Something that says "I'm cool, see my stylin' bike" yet can be ridden like a cruiser. All you need is chrome and a big thumpin v2... horsepower optional.
I'm not a great fan of 'flash' (ridin an '86 gixxer and all) but, for those who are getting back into riding, those who are tired of the laid back cruiser position and who don't want a corner weapon... not a bad plan I suppose.
I think we're seeing a new kind of cruiser appearing on the scene. An intermediate bike between the raked out hog and the streetfighters/monsters. Something that says "I'm cool, see my stylin' bike" yet can be ridden like a cruiser. All you need is chrome and a big thumpin v2... horsepower optional.
I'm not a great fan of 'flash' (ridin an '86 gixxer and all) but, for those who are getting back into riding, those who are tired of the laid back cruiser position and who don't want a corner weapon... not a bad plan I suppose.
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The world already has cool looking slow naked bikes. The Buell and Monster both fit the bill and are due for lagging sales.
Sure, the Bulldog looks good,but so does my 11 year old Hawk. The Bulldog ain't faster and is heavier, so why would I want one?
You asked for what we want. I want Motards. I have insane Motard fever. I want big Motards, little motards, spastic dual sports. I want these things.
Sure, the Bulldog looks good,but so does my 11 year old Hawk. The Bulldog ain't faster and is heavier, so why would I want one?
You asked for what we want. I want Motards. I have insane Motard fever. I want big Motards, little motards, spastic dual sports. I want these things.
Although Yamaha did basicly mutate the Bulldog from other bikes(Buell M2, BMW R1100R, and the MOnster) it is a fine looking bike as a whole. Suzuki had trouble selling the VS 800 a few years back a one respondant stated however, did'nt all of the major manufacturers have trouble selling standards? In 2001, the standard seems to be the hot commodity providing that they have the performance to back up their styleing, which unfortunately the Bulldog does not. With such a large displacement, I would expect a minimum of 80hp out of such a bike.
As far as rip offs go, did anybody read about the sportster clone that Kawasaki is planning to release? That is a direct rip off! A foolish one at that becase anybody looking for a budget cruiser that has a narrow stance, easy maintenence, and American styleing would buy the sporster.
Minime stated that Yamaha does have a few bikes coming this way for 2002, as confirmed on the Yamaha web site. (They are going to post the new models on June 12) I am crossing my fingers till they bleed for the FJ1300.
As far as rip offs go, did anybody read about the sportster clone that Kawasaki is planning to release? That is a direct rip off! A foolish one at that becase anybody looking for a budget cruiser that has a narrow stance, easy maintenence, and American styleing would buy the sporster.
Minime stated that Yamaha does have a few bikes coming this way for 2002, as confirmed on the Yamaha web site. (They are going to post the new models on June 12) I am crossing my fingers till they bleed for the FJ1300.
Having been accosted last night by some chick in
Pontiac for riding my "motherf$&*ing Jap bike" (82 Maxim) thorugh Cynthiana, KY, I am perhaps not all that keen on anything that tries to imitate American technology right now. However I think I can objectively say that I'm not thrilled by Yamaha's Bulldog. It falls in between a number of good bikes without exceeding any of them. It looks like a Buell, has almost the same displacment, but is down on power. It sort of looks like a Monster, but the styling isn't quite up Ducati's standards. No word on handling, but I bet that bikes from the SV through Cagivas up to a new Falco will probably outhandle it. This tendency to try to compromise in all directions is why standards faded out to begin with. Even the new standards (ZRX, Bandit, FZ-1) still have huge amounts of power.
However, thumbs up to Yamaha for putting the survey on their page introducing the bike. (see MO's link.) It's nice that a manufacturer just asks you what you think. Let's hope they use it. As for my suggestions, let's see a new V-Max.
Pontiac for riding my "motherf$&*ing Jap bike" (82 Maxim) thorugh Cynthiana, KY, I am perhaps not all that keen on anything that tries to imitate American technology right now. However I think I can objectively say that I'm not thrilled by Yamaha's Bulldog. It falls in between a number of good bikes without exceeding any of them. It looks like a Buell, has almost the same displacment, but is down on power. It sort of looks like a Monster, but the styling isn't quite up Ducati's standards. No word on handling, but I bet that bikes from the SV through Cagivas up to a new Falco will probably outhandle it. This tendency to try to compromise in all directions is why standards faded out to begin with. Even the new standards (ZRX, Bandit, FZ-1) still have huge amounts of power.
However, thumbs up to Yamaha for putting the survey on their page introducing the bike. (see MO's link.) It's nice that a manufacturer just asks you what you think. Let's hope they use it. As for my suggestions, let's see a new V-Max.
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