YAMAHA RELEASES ADDITIONAL FJR 1300s
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Kudos to Yamaha for the help with the American, MotoGP round.
Truth is (despite all the press accolades) there are already too many bikes that in one way or the other fit into the sport-touring niche. And, like the Concours, those bikes can be had used, CHEAP!
Now, with dealers left UNHAPPILY holding the bag, Yamaha wants to generate some buzz: Fine Great, Wonderful...Call us when you knocked a couple grand off the price.
Truth is (despite all the press accolades) there are already too many bikes that in one way or the other fit into the sport-touring niche. And, like the Concours, those bikes can be had used, CHEAP!
Now, with dealers left UNHAPPILY holding the bag, Yamaha wants to generate some buzz: Fine Great, Wonderful...Call us when you knocked a couple grand off the price.
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Whenever you see "24% increase" instead of actual sales numbers, you know that it ain't all that great.
I'm sure a Victory press release will be coming soon.
I'm sure a Victory press release will be coming soon.
...Hardley makes crap.
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nothing substantive 'new' or 'improved' in any of HD's product line.
Outside of the V-Rod I'd say HD hasn't made vast improvments and when they have they pretty much have updated with mainstream technologies (however, not having followed the HD line except by reading a few articles and some posts, I'm not claiming to be any kind of authority on this subject, just my observations). As ridiculous as it may seem for people to buy an HD using the "same old technologies" I think it can be seen as equally ridiculous to feel you need a 2005 big four nameRR as opposed to the 2002 model. Face it, most of the modern power and technology will never be accessed or pushed close to the limit to actually notice it or take advantage of it by the average- to even above average- street rider. And even an exceptional rider will probably rarely to never get to experience pushing a modern RR to it's limits on the streets. The streets- even when shattering the law- just don't allow it. Couldn't one argue it's equally as silly to buy the latest and greatest that they can't use (or use enough to justify the extra couple thousand they pay for it) as it is to buy technology that was developed years ago?
HD may not use or develope ground breaking technology on their bikes or being slow to update certain models doesn't qualify them as "crap". From what I've read, the quality of the bikes is at least average (average being no more problems than the competition) to good. A comment like that begs for at least one horror story rebuttle but you can find a horror story about any manufacturers bike. I subscribed to MCN for a year and each issue they'd post recalls for all the manufacturers. I didn't notice Harley coming up more than the metric cruisers.
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nothing substantive 'new' or 'improved' in any of HD's product line.
Outside of the V-Rod I'd say HD hasn't made vast improvments and when they have they pretty much have updated with mainstream technologies (however, not having followed the HD line except by reading a few articles and some posts, I'm not claiming to be any kind of authority on this subject, just my observations). As ridiculous as it may seem for people to buy an HD using the "same old technologies" I think it can be seen as equally ridiculous to feel you need a 2005 big four nameRR as opposed to the 2002 model. Face it, most of the modern power and technology will never be accessed or pushed close to the limit to actually notice it or take advantage of it by the average- to even above average- street rider. And even an exceptional rider will probably rarely to never get to experience pushing a modern RR to it's limits on the streets. The streets- even when shattering the law- just don't allow it. Couldn't one argue it's equally as silly to buy the latest and greatest that they can't use (or use enough to justify the extra couple thousand they pay for it) as it is to buy technology that was developed years ago?
HD may not use or develope ground breaking technology on their bikes or being slow to update certain models doesn't qualify them as "crap". From what I've read, the quality of the bikes is at least average (average being no more problems than the competition) to good. A comment like that begs for at least one horror story rebuttle but you can find a horror story about any manufacturers bike. I subscribed to MCN for a year and each issue they'd post recalls for all the manufacturers. I didn't notice Harley coming up more than the metric cruisers.
About this time last year, I went to three Yamaha dealers and asked them to inform me when Yamaha was going to open the queue and start taking deposits for the FJR. I told them I really wanted one - it was just what I wanted, and I had the cash. In early March I found out that event had happened a few weeks earlier. Not one dealer called. When I went back to two of them, they both said something to the effect that I could still put down a deposit, but should not expect to get the bike until August or later, because I was too late getting my deposit in. That kinda messed up my plans to take a two-wheeled vacation trip on my new motorcycle in early summer.
I took my cash to a Suzuki dealer and bought my second choice and have been very pleased with it.
Yahama's policy with the FJR is not helping them, IMHO. Who knows how many other customers have gone elsewhere because of this outdated business model?
I took my cash to a Suzuki dealer and bought my second choice and have been very pleased with it.
Yahama's policy with the FJR is not helping them, IMHO. Who knows how many other customers have gone elsewhere because of this outdated business model?
oops, hit 'Ok' instead of 'Preview'. If anyones still reading I'm still typing...
The big four are probably using emotion to sell bikes as much as anyone. Harley is selling a brand and an image along with a good bike. The big four are selling RR's with incredible performance for lots of people who like to sit on them and talk about what's between their legs as opposed to actually using it. And you know what? I'm not going to put down either crowd (just the ones who take it to a ridiculous extream on either side). Most of us like to stroke our ego's a little or charge up our psyche a little. Is buying a piece of art work and haning it on the wall tangibly useful? Does it make your room smell better? Make you taller? Make you better looking? Make you a better anything? Unless you consider a Renuzit art work than no, but it makes you feel good. You get pleasure out of looking at it.
If form over function should be ignored then we should all date butt ugly emotionally unappealing women so long as they can plow a field, cook up some grub, and pop out a kid once a year for eight or nine years. That may be fine for some but not for me thank you very much.
The big four are probably using emotion to sell bikes as much as anyone. Harley is selling a brand and an image along with a good bike. The big four are selling RR's with incredible performance for lots of people who like to sit on them and talk about what's between their legs as opposed to actually using it. And you know what? I'm not going to put down either crowd (just the ones who take it to a ridiculous extream on either side). Most of us like to stroke our ego's a little or charge up our psyche a little. Is buying a piece of art work and haning it on the wall tangibly useful? Does it make your room smell better? Make you taller? Make you better looking? Make you a better anything? Unless you consider a Renuzit art work than no, but it makes you feel good. You get pleasure out of looking at it.
If form over function should be ignored then we should all date butt ugly emotionally unappealing women so long as they can plow a field, cook up some grub, and pop out a kid once a year for eight or nine years. That may be fine for some but not for me thank you very much.
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Re: One other laugh
You can also select the popular "two wheels" option on this motorcycle.
You can also select the popular "two wheels" option on this motorcycle.
negative nabobs. story i get is pre-ordering is a thing Yamaha been doing with snowmobiles forever which works well and keeps dealers and customers happy. The fact that FJR is low-volume is exactly the reason they do it with that bike. Discriminating bucks-up riders know a great bike when they see one. FJR is a great bike. Now for my food pellet...
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"Hey! You´re pretty good." Hmmmm...
Virago´s engine was pretty durable (same 1100 still in V-Star) so it wasn´t likely to be mechanical problems. His quess just covered the rest.
But then, it´s certainly better suck up to bike and car mechanics if you don´t know too much about the stuff yourself.
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Virago´s engine was pretty durable (same 1100 still in V-Star) so it wasn´t likely to be mechanical problems. His quess just covered the rest.
But then, it´s certainly better suck up to bike and car mechanics if you don´t know too much about the stuff yourself.
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Sorry, but I really did love the chrome, black and orange flamed-napkin-rings; they were to die for!
Tell me, does the full set come with Champagne Flutes, or just wine glasses?
Muffy so much wants to impress our friends at the next Sturgus Cotillion...Ta!
Tell me, does the full set come with Champagne Flutes, or just wine glasses?
Muffy so much wants to impress our friends at the next Sturgus Cotillion...Ta!
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Re: Let's give credit...
Well said and 100% correct.
Well said and 100% correct.
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How long did it take you to write that one jb?
I'm glad you included the "popular" blue option in the PR because I didn't know which color to get!
I'm glad you included the "popular" blue option in the PR because I didn't know which color to get!
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That's precisely why you need to read MO!
Mine was an 82, 750, with Hitachi Carbs, and and electrical problems that would have made Lucas blush.
After pulling the head-light, and fighting with enough wires to light the Rockefeller Center's Christmas Tree - that the previous owner had obviously fought with before - I took it to a shop, and let them deal with it.
Other than that, and having to push-start it most of the time, it was a wonderful bike.
Oh, yeah...When I traded it in, the dealer's shop mechanics weren't very happy when I PUSHED it through the doors. It was the first time I ever heard a group of guys groan in harmony (not a pleasant sound).
After pulling the head-light, and fighting with enough wires to light the Rockefeller Center's Christmas Tree - that the previous owner had obviously fought with before - I took it to a shop, and let them deal with it.
Other than that, and having to push-start it most of the time, it was a wonderful bike.
Oh, yeah...When I traded it in, the dealer's shop mechanics weren't very happy when I PUSHED it through the doors. It was the first time I ever heard a group of guys groan in harmony (not a pleasant sound).
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