500 mile days on an sv ! You're the MAN ! You probably even sleep on a bed of nails and eat glass. Myself,I prefer a nice soft bed. I race an sv and it's a GREAT race bike but as a street bike it just plain SUCKS. Next time spend a little more money and buy a real road bike !
My interpretation is that the ZR-7 will be a bike that allows you to enjoy the ride. The motorcycle itself might not impress you, but you'll be out there enjoying the sensation of floating down ribbons of ashphalt.
The SV, on the other hand, encourages you to enjoy the actual motorcycle as much as you do the ride. The SV will make you want to wheelie, romp on the gas, rev it to hear the engine, and do other things that sit on the hooligan-side of the fence.
I love my Buell. When I sold my Harley (electra glide -- touring bike for non Harley-types) I fully intended to buy a Kawi ZR-7S. The idiots at the Kawasaki shop prevented that from happening (they could answer none of my questions and told me I was wrong when I mentioned the Givi hardbags available through the Kawi accessory catalogue). I ended up on an M2. Very comfortable riding position, even at freeway speeds -- as long as you wear earplugs. I make my 2 hr (one way) commute a few times a week on the Buell over a mix of freeways and backroads. It is much better than the old Nighthawk I owned. Great mileage too. Have to agree with the other post on the shaking at stop lights -- though it does relax my lower back!
Am I on crack or am I actually considering trading my R1 for this bike? Considering that ninety percent of my riding time is commuting, its probably not as crazy as it sounds. The bike looks great except for the sportster tumor on top of the headlamp and huge-ass can. Somebody punch me, I'm warming to cruisers!
I hope you find a dealer that allows test rides. I wanted to test the ZR-7S, SV and FZ-1, but the local dealer doesn't allow test rides. My Buell dealer let me test ride whatever I wanted for as long as I wanted. Of course I spent about 2K more than I intended... For what its worth, the ZR-7 postion felt better than the other two for all day riding, but then I was only sitting on the show room floor.
biggot, get over your nighthawk obsession already!
Biggot, your 750 Nighthawk fetish is incredible! I can understand being obsessed about a particular motorcycle, as I have several times over the years. But to have wet dreams (as you seemingly do) about a bike as dull, trite, and bromidic as the CB750 just because it has (gasp!) self-adjusting valves is ludicrous.
The only way someone could worship such a bland machine is if their frame of reference includes cars, public transportation, or a 20 year old CB125 (or another bike of this ilk) exclusively.
Though I'm sure I'm wasting my time with you, I'll try and explain to you why a ZR-7 is a better bike for most riders who are actual motorcycle enthusiasts, and not just 2-wheel commuters.
1. The ZR7 has triple disc brakes vs. 1 disc/rear drum set up of the Honda.
2. The ZR-7 has a stronger and lighter aluminum swingarm, which improves both ride and handling.
3. The ZR-7 has zerk fittings on every pivot point of the rising rate suspension, and rebound damping adjusters for the shocks. The CB750 has conventional dual shocks, with only preload adjustability.
4. The ZR-7 has wider, radial tires for a better ride and cornering.
5. The ZR-7 has a centerstand, fuel gauge, adjustable levers, a 5.8 gallon tank, and an all stainless steel exhaust system, all standard.
6. The ZR-7 has a much bigger oil cooler than the CB750 (7 row vs. 3 row, if memory serves), a very important feature on an air-cooled bike.
7. In test after test, the ZR-7 has proven to be a better handling bike than the Honda.
I could probably come up with another half dozen advantages of the Kaw if I took the time to think about it some more. Over the past 20+ years, I've made my living from selling all brands of motorcycles, I've owned over 50, and have ridden hundreds (including the ZR-7 and CB750). What kind of background do YOU have that might make your comments credible?
Don't do it, Elvis! Not unless you can have both a cruiser AND a sportbike. I've seen a zillion people switch from cruiser to sportbike over the years, and after a brief acclimation period, there's hardly ever any regret. Not so in the reverse, however. Once you've grown accustomed to to an F-16, how could you find fulfillment on a bi-plane, except as an occasional diversion?
Air-cooled engines look better without the myriad hoses, radiator, and fake cooling fins. They also have more mechanical presence (aurally) due to not having the sound insulation properties of liquid sandwiched by two cylinder walls. They're generally easier to service due to improved accessability, as well.
However, air-cooled motors generally have shorter top-end lives because of greater manufacturer tolerances on rings and piston-to-cylinder clearances, owing to the much broader temperature ranges these components are subjected to. This is probably a problem the 3rd or 4th owner will have to deal with though. Also, air-cooled motors, particularly ones with great-big bores, tend to burn through more motor oil, so you do have to be more vigilant about checking oil levels.
I'd also be sure to use a synthetic motorcycle oil (after breaking-in new motor) on an air-cooled motor because of its ability to work better over a wider range of temperatures, and because synthetics have higher "flash" points.
Well, the two bikes you mentioned are both powerful machines, but neither one really handles worth a damn. Besides, they're V-Fours. Everything else we're talking about in cruiserdom is a V-Twin here. AND Victory was the first to coin the moniker "Sport Cruiser" though Harley did beat them to the punch with the FXRS Sport Glide. Now THAT was a fun bike to ride. Too damn much money, but fun to play with on demo rides! Shame they don't make them anymore. Ah hell, what do I care? Harley makes BETTER now, only they're called BUELLS!
As someone about to go from a cruiser to a standard, don't trade! The cruiser seating position is nice on the showroom floor but is just as nasty on the lower back as a racer crouch (though it is easier on the knees).
Instead, trade your R1 for an FZ1 or 919 (or other large standard). Worlds better comfort for commuting, yet with just as much _real-world_ performance as an R1. An eminently better bike for someone who doesn't do trackdays. I mean, cruisers look nice (and the Warrior is very very nice), but the day that I rode across Colorado and Wyoming spread-eagled to wind blast is the day that I started praying for a quarter-fairing and pegs underneath the seat.
And do you like twisties? Regardless of how good the suspension is, twisties are a very slow process when your wheelbase is 62-67 inches.
Ummmm... I always thought of the H-D SPORTSTER as the original sport-cruiser. Victory's effort went right past me, I didn't even know they were trying. The V65 Magna was/is a cruiser, V4 and all. No it doesn't handle well by today's standards, but in '83 it was a sportbike compared to the other cruisers. Honda called it a "musclebike". The V-max was the next step. The V-rod has 1 more horsepower than the 18 year old V65 Magna, and is slower. But it's got it's own thing going for it-it is very unique in appearance(and has those magic profit making letters on the tank).
This new Warrior is a step in the right direction, but it isn't close enough for me. The warrior needs a better looking muffler. Maybe it's needed for power, but come on- do we have to have ugly to have power? A big megaphone on each side with a slash cut would look far better than that thing. Hell, even the VTX exhaust looks better(kinda looks like a rear firing rocket laucher). And also, a shaft drive would look nicer than that huge belt system. H-D's belt system is cleaner looking.
If I were looking for a new sport cruiser/muscle bike, it'd be a toss up between the brute force of the V-max and the beauty of the Mean Streak. I sat on the VTX and it's just too heavy and big. The Vrod's too expensive and looks too much like a DeLorean-bike. Hmmm.. would the V-max motor fit in the Mean Streak? That would be my new bike in a hearbeat.
Earplugs? You must have a V&H on it because a Buell is a pretty quiet bike stock. It oughta be with that schoolbus factory muffler and belt drive. But M2+V&H=sexiest sounding bike on the planet! An exhaust note to make most cruisers weep with envy, stump-pulling torque, comfortable riding position AND sportbike handling that's darn good if less than state-of-the-art. All at a street price in the ballpark of some 600s. NOW if they could just improve the minor QC problems. Though the basic drivetrain is virtually bulletproof many owners have small things go wrong with them and the Japanese have spoiled today's posercyclists to believe that nothing should ever go wrong with any motorcycle until it's a ratbike. (What the heck is a toolkit anyway?) With bikes produced by small companies in small numbers at reasonable prices the reality is you can't expect perfection. However with the resource of HD behind them they should be able to get closer. People who haven't ridden one don't know what they're missing --including the free butt massage while waiting at stoplights.
Earplugs for the wind noise -- loud helmet, bikini fairing. I moved to the buell from a fully faired Electra Glide Ultra Classic. The engine makes beautiful noise at just about any speed. I have had it since Sept 1., put 2700 miles on it, not one problem so far. Most Buell owners I know that have real problems experience them in the first 1k.
Actually the Bandit seating position for long rides is almost perfect. Enough forward lean to get the wait off your tail bone but not enough to make wrist sore. I road the v65 sabre. a friend owned one. I owned a a v45 magna. I could see the vmax replacing the v65 magna but the Sabre was more of a v4 standard. The Bandit is much more useable then the Sabre because of it's much better road manners and less wait. The Sabre was really top heavy and fell into coners.
after riding and racing more than 30 years, i migrated from sportbikes to cruisers and i have absolutely no regrets. love my valkyrie. riding a cruiser has opened up a whole new world for me. i've learned that:
1. you can have lots of fun going the speed limit
2. you miss lots of scenery when you don't
3. chicks by and large greatly prefer cruisers
5. backaches, leg cramps and numb fingers are unnecessary
6. people who ride sportbikes look like monkeys humping footballs
7. if you ride a sportbike aggressively long enough, you will bust your a$$
I had more problems in the 1st 2000 miles than any other bike I've owned but they were minor and promptly fixed. Not any reason to stay away if the bike appeals to you, especially the M2 which has been around long enough they oughta have the glitches out. I like the Firebolt but have no plans to buy one the first year out based on my experience with Buell and the fact some dealers are trying to price gouge on them.