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"When he rode away, he was the happiest guy in Fort Lauderdale."

How is that possible when you guys raped him?
 

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I'd say that was typical. I (and The Wife) used to work for the SOB's...............

EDIT: And wouldn't ya F'n KNOW it - I won't recieve any of that payout for the years I spent with the Mother****ers either.........
Hmmm. I didn't know that Walmart represented the entire US economy. Thanks for the info. (eyes rolling)
 

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"Hmmm. I didn't know that Walmart represented the entire US economy. "

What they represent is why Unions are still needed today after all those abuses supposedly went away. Sad isn't it?
 

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"Hmmm. I didn't know that Walmart represented the entire US economy. "

What they represent is why Unions are still needed today after all those abuses supposedly went away. Sad isn't it?
Maybe but life is tough and the only way to ensure your own success is to pay constant attention and take personal responsibility for every aspect of your life. If you wait for someone else to make you successful you are doomed to disappointment. You know this. I know this. Many don't. Hence all the whining when someone thinks he's a victim. Maybe if one doesn't want to be stuck in a crappy job at a big box store he could do something else instead of settling for a crap job.

I've done damm well by avoiding unions. I refuse to be placed in the same pay scale with lazy slobs who rely on others to do the work and get the same remuneration.
 

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It doesn't matter if they are stuck at some crappy job. The same basic laws shoould be applied equally. It isn't a matter of job status, but fairness and following the laws. If companies won't do it, then someone needs to do it for them. Big boxes are hardly the only ones that skirt the law. The way they all were doing it in Illinois was to make everyone a salaried worker. That way they could avoid all the overtime laws. Illinois has since changed the law so they can't dodge that one. I never knew a company that had a Union rammed down their throat. The ones that got them easily deserved them with the crap they pulled. Don't want a Union? Then quit screwing the employees! Checks and balances works for me. Been on both sides of the table.
 

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Did you forget the $50 Leather -n- Chrome Gift Certificate I threw in? The free wash and polish job? And the bike cleaning? Ungrateful creep.
Typical sales slime..the god dam* gift certificate was expired and the tweeker you had washing it scratched the hell out of my "Live to Ride Ride to live" air cleaner cover and mirror combo..

Bastard, I hope you choke.
 

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It doesn't matter if they are stuck at some crappy job. The same basic laws shoould be applied equally. It isn't a matter of job status, but fairness and following the laws. If companies won't do it, then someone needs to do it for them. Big boxes are hardly the only ones that skirt the law. The way they all were doing it in Illinois was to make everyone a salaried worker. That way they could avoid all the overtime laws. Illinois has since changed the law so they can't dodge that one. I never knew a company that had a Union rammed down their throat. The ones that got them easily deserved them with the crap they pulled. Don't want a Union? Then quit screwing the employees! Checks and balances works for me. Been on both sides of the table.
And how does one make sure the laws are followed? Not by sitting on one's butt and letting someone else do it all for him. What happens is the workers get canned but the union officials keep their jobs. Just ask the air traffic controllers. Gotta pay attention in life or you get run over.
 

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And how does one make sure the laws are followed? Not by sitting on one's butt and letting someone else do it all for him. What happens is the workers get canned but the union officials keep their jobs. Just ask the air traffic controllers. Gotta pay attention in life or you get run over.
The biggest abuser of employees is the gov't of course. I've got some friends who work for the Post office ( not mail carriers). Long hours and Soviet=like conditions.
 

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The biggest abuser of employees is the gov't of course. I've got some friends who work for the Post office ( not mail carriers). Long hours and Soviet=like conditions.
I hear that the employees at the Ogden IRS Center have the highest rate of psychiatric drug use of any agency. Not surprising. How can one do such a job and sleep at night?
 

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"When he rode away, he was the happiest guy in Fort Lauderdale."

How is that possible when you guys raped him?
he was raped hog tied, no lube no reach arround raped
14K for a sportster = rape
cashing out 401K for any motorcycle = stupidity
 

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I was an active participant in the Eaglemark Bank fiasco. In 03/04 I was selling bikes for Rossmeyer both on the sales floor and via the Internet. I think it's hard to realize now just how desperately people wanted a Harley. And I think the Beenie Baby analogy is valid, the same MUST HAVE IT AT ANY COST hormonal rage applied (people paid hundreds of dollars for those things, and were happy to do it).

Eaglemark had few rules: you had to have owned a home for 5 years, or you had to be at your job for 2 years. If you didn't owe child support or have an active IRS tax lien, you were good to go. The rates were really high, 21% was the low end, they maxed at 33%, but people still bought. You had to have 10% down, but even that was easily skirted by bringing in an old frame and title. We'd value it up and then add that on the back end. There was a lot of creative paperwork done too; single income families suddenly became 2 income families...job letters were...well, you get the idea.

I remember a grown man crying in the middle of a busy sales floor when I couldn't get him financed. He'd been there all day, he'd gone from an Ultra to a Dyna to a Sportster, the F&I lady did every trick she could think of, he couldn't get financed. A few days later he showed up with cash; he'd closed his 401K and taken the IRS hit, pawned a coin collection, etc. to raise the $14k OTD price we were charging for a Sportster Custom. When he rode away, he was the happiest guy in Fort Lauderdale.
interesting to hear from the inside I wonder if he dumped it would he get the 14K he paid or the 10K they shoulda sold it to him for? But with those loose lending criteria, if you dont qualify your lucky to have food on the table, and at those rates anyone would be a fool to borrow
 

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he was raped hog tied, no lube no reach arround raped
14K for a sportster = rape
cashing out 401K for any motorcycle = stupidity
Rape is when you are forced. I doubt that you would blink at selling some guy your current bike for $25K if some nut ran up with the cash and begged you to sell it to him. no one forced these clowns to give HD dealers thousands over MSRP. Just like no one forced people to give more than MSRP for new Thunderbirds or Priusii.

No one forced any of these people. They weren't raped. They were idiots.

There are 300 million people in the USA. You'll never have a problem finding idiots galore on a daily basis.

Rape is when you buy something and later find hidden costs that the seller withheld from you. Like not mentioning to BMW buyers that the factory service will cost over a grand each and lying to them and telling them that they will lose their warranties if they don't have their service done at a certified BMW dealer. That's rape.
 

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interesting to hear from the inside I wonder if he dumped it would he get the 14K he paid or the 10K they shoulda sold it to him for? But with those loose lending criteria, if you dont qualify your lucky to have food on the table, and at those rates anyone would be a fool to borrow
He would get whatever the insurance value is for the bike according to his policy. This would be book value for the bike plus whatever extra coverage he bought for accessories, etc, no matter what he gave the dealer.

Happens all the time. Talk to any car owner who had a new car stolen.
 

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he was raped hog tied, no lube no reach arround raped
14K for a sportster = rape
cashing out 401K for any motorcycle = stupidity
Really? I guess you hold yourself up as the ultimate smartest motorcycle rider? Is that what you are implying?
 

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"And how does one make sure the laws are followed? "

Simply by having available legal representation at work and the bagaining table, which Unions provide. That's how. That way, the company can't pull any crap in negotiations or in the day to day operations. Of course, I have heard management howl like stuck pigs when our lawyers would show up during negotiations. How unfair we were! If you are a normal employee and find them violating laws, what exactly are you going to do about it? You going to use YOUR money to fight it? :rolleyes:
 

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Really? I guess you hold yourself up as the ultimate smartest motorcycle rider? Is that what you are implying?
this has nothing to do with riding skills these are financial decisions and common sence
you seem as bitter as I would be if I owed over MSRP dont blame me for it
 

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this has nothing to do with riding skills these are financial decisions and common sence
you seem as bitter as I would be if I owed over MSRP dont blame me for it
I won't blame you. Your Harley envy is obvious. Of course, if I bought a wanna-be-a-Harley, I'd be envious too.
 

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listen I could buy anything I want and wouldt have to finance it to do it, I have a 798 credit score and 18K in my account right now and contribute $200/week to my 401K and Im under 40 Sorry I dont desire YOUR bike more then MY retirement. you probably think Im wasting money saving for retirement instead of being part of what you think is an elite group?
Ill guess the window of your car/truck has stickers to let everyone know you own a harley if they cant see it printed n your arm when they pass if they gave a damn? but its worth another $20 of your cash to let others know you do have one people like you and your attitude of entitlement and oozing ego give the motorcycle community a bad name, so slam a 12 pack put that potato chip on your head & tear down the road allowing them pipes to save you
 

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"listen I could buy anything I want and wouldt have to finance it to do it,"

That's what you should have done then instead of calling everyone else 'raped' and 'stupid'. Two kinds of stupid: The one that you think is stupid by buying what he REALLY wants, and the one that buys something becuase it was cheap.
 
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